[The Geek]

Hey Martin,

Everyone here has contributed to the upkeep of the site as we are all vBulletin license holders. I assume it is Jelsoft that pays for hosting, hardware, licenses, etc... its .org that is the one stop referal spot for pre-sales questions regarding functionality not that doesnt come with vB (you pointed this out the other day)

Taking a step back, it seems to me that it is Jelsoft that is wanting it both ways. You want an free modding community to promote sales of your software but Jelsoft wants to totally control it, yet distance itself from it. You want it run a certain way but won't pay people to do it. You feel everyone should contribute their work FOC but you guys will charge for your yours (and no one should ever mention otherwise).

vbulletin.org is a brand name and every much a part of vBulletin as .com - Jelsoft needs to support .org so it is as strong of a brand and as beneficial to Jelsoft as it can be.

I look forward to seeing the changes played out.

Originally Posted by Martin

Here's a thought.

Everyone here who has contributed monetarily to the upkeep of this site and/or clicked the donate link in any of the mods you currently use to show your appreciation for the coders here, please raise your hand.

There is talk of the Admins/Mods, who are indeed doing this on their own time for the love of vBulletin and the members here, wanting it both ways. Perhaps some of the people who are complaining in this thread may need to step back and take a look at themselves. They seem to want the benefit of a free service run by volunteers as well as an entity with corporate responsibilities and mentality. You can't have it both ways.

In case people haven't noticed, there are changes being implemented. Yes, they are taking some time, but they are being implemented by an all volunteer staff who do this in their spare time. They, just like you, have day jobs they are responsible for, some have familial obligations, etc, etc, etc, just like you. Give them some time to get it done and you might wind up happy witht he results, though as in anything, there are those who would complain if you hung them with a brand new rope.

While this site is sanctioned by vBulletin, it is not a vBulletin run site. The site was set up so that coders who love the product and want to share their work with the general vBulletin community could do so without worrying about giving it away to pirates. We are aware, however, that the thoughts and attitudes expressed here can have a negative impact on how Jelsoft looks and we do try to work with the vB.org staff to resolve issues. We cannot step in and override their authority here, or it would defeat the purpose of this project.

Every forum I have ever been associated with always talks about "the good old days" and inevitably develops a groups of people who consider their tenure a license to act elitist. It's the nature of forums, in fact it's the nature of any club or social organization. Any of you who have large-ish boards should know this. You should also know that things have a way of working themselves out in the end, and sometimes it takes a major event, as seems to be happening here.

Please be a little patient and allow the admins and mods here to try to get things sorted.