Yea I'm setting up a like COTM into the site using some stuff and I like it and so does my client. He thinks we could use the same format just a little tweaked for the articles. It might not be practical for a lot of people but for him it'll work and its what he wants. Though I think this would be a great idea. I really wish there was a really nice article hack VB 3.5 seems to having everything awesomely done except this but that is just my opinion. I really liked cinqs