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I'm probably just gonna administer all team creation myself. There are too many dynamics that are coming to mind if team creation and adminstration were to be unadminstered and at the users disgression. What would be better is if team creation was left to me and adding people to a team after its creation is left to the leader of that team (the leader would be the moderator of their team's forum and would be able to add member's to their team/user group through their mod control panel on the forums). In order for a team admin (team forum mod) to add a user to their team the person would first have to be in the clan member user group for a team admin to be able to add them to their team. This way regular forum members that were never in the clan couldn't jump over the step of joining the clan and go straight to joining a team. Could this be done?

Of course, the member listing page on the clan site would need to reflect these teams and their members (people in that particular user group for that team). Ideally I would like a control panel for the member listing page at this point. For example, I add a new user group/team, set up the forum and mod for that team, then go to the CP for the member listing page and be able to add that new team/user group to the listing. (the point being to avoid having to deal directly with adding php code to the php file that makes the member listing in order to display a new user group since php is very new to me)

Regarding the member listing page. That would be cool it you could make it like the forum category listings in vB. The member listing page starts out just listing the "categories" of members that are all collapsed so they don't actually show the people under each category... like this:

M.A.C. Admin - total = 1

M.A.C. Members - total = 120

Team "Diablo 2" - total = 53

Team "Quake 3" - total = 62

...then you click on one of the "member categories" and it displays the people in that category and leaves the other categories collapsed but their links still there.

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freddie. I guess it would be ok to use vB's templates for all of this, but if the whole clan site was integrated with the forums then whenever you visited a clan site page it would start a session on the forums and mark the unread threads as read even when you didn't browse the forums, right?

Shesh! I've got 3 people wanting to do this for me now! Plus a couple peeps that want to do it for free. btw, Kier just messaged me and said he could still do this for me.

Here's how it's gonna play. I offered this to Kier first so I'm gonna go with him for now since he says he can still do it. Sorry to bait you guys along and then pull the offer. I'll post here if it falls through with Kier.

Shesh! I gotta redo my list of what I want done! I've got all my needs spread out among various e-mails, threads, and posts.