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^_^ of course i get it, ive worked with professional designers, me and my fathers friend was a long time employee of BP, British Peterolium (sp?) now Better Peterolium, or somthing like that, and he did almost all their work, and he got paid very very well. after leaving he started his own business. But i know how much he charges for sites / logos, hes not cheep, He has art degrees amoung other things, and his skill rivals very few. hell, hes been using photoshop since version 2 or 3 ;D

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