thanks MindTrix
I bought the skin for the buttons, but then build my own psds from the layout, and coded the style from the ground up and made lots of changes, however I felt that credit is due as I used the same colors, or very close to them, but with how its setup I had to rewrite or write from the ground up the style to fit all my scripts not just vbulletin.
glat ya guys like the header that took over 12 hours for the layout and is 75 layers. The indevidual 3d modes and 3d maps / landscapes took a while to make as well although I lost count on how long... for each lots to add still, I need to finish proper custom scripts credits page as well
just added futureal proarade 2.1 which I've been helping beta test, I need to get a hold of him as I've made lots of bug fixes and changes to the templates.