i've always known about them but i dunno i could never really get into OG as much as i respected the site, theirs some other great sites out there, Catch22|BL's site is one, i joined there for their links directory lol and due to the increased traffic i got while my link was on the index, i've never really left
i joined NTLDR's ages ago but the change password thing ++++ed me off not to mention no one cared about my plan for Cole's show, king ripping Angel

actually i was even a member of NTLDR's rosemcgowan.co.uk site, i think he was like my vB idol for a while or something