filburt1 what's wrong with linux?? windows xp was a step ahead but they went too far with the "activation" i'd still take linux over windows anyday, and i know my husband would too, not because it's free, it's also more stable, vbulletin is like windows (cept for the crashing :-P) and i think people are crazy to pay $160 (?99) for ANY scripting, programs are ok (photoshop/dreamweaver/psp/etc.etc) but $160 for a year of updates, you're all crazy!! - i'm only here to look at the hacks so don't bother asking me "why did you come to a vb board..."