thanx for the replies

It was not my intention to "copy" the entire forum.... and of course I will not do it

I don't think there is anyone out there who does not want his forum to have a "special" style - I would never want my VB to have an identical style/look with others

As I said my primary target is to be able to create a border like the one I see here... so I will search for that on the templates site

, as you advised me...
The first VB forum I saw with a border was the Electrogarden forums where I post quite a long time now
http://www.electrogarden.com/forums/index.php
thats what impressed me in the beggining
thanx
stark