thanks, yes i did look there, but as you will see for yourself, the threads there are pretty bare bones if anything at all. i found a french thread, but the link gives me a 404. german -- only requests. turkish and arabic, i am not sure if i need. however if i search on vb.org forums, i get stuff like portugese, spanish, chinese, japanese etc. wouldn't it be incredibly useful if all these could be consolidated at one place for the benefit of those interested? i dont think language packs forum itself is really working. thanks!