[Mark.B]

Originally Posted by cellarius

Some might say that sentence should end there.

Telling people that coders left because people got demanding really is misleading. There have always been people that were demanding. Most people left for other reasons. Poor quality (and having a finally rather usable version after five years is not something to be proud of), and company policy (which did not change, see recent events here).


And you really think it's not telling that vB 5, after five years on the market, should not offer good reasons for most, if not every user to upgrade? However you try to rationalize it?

A lot of the above was arguably relevant in 2012. vB5 isn't remotely the same today as it was then, and there is plenty of interest in upgrading.

Of course it is far from perfect, but as I said to Brandon, many people base their current views of vBulletin 5 as if 5.0.0 was the current version. It is nothing like that today.

I also did say this earlier, which seems to have been forgotten:

Originally Posted by Mark.B

vB5 lacks the modification system of the scale that vB3 and vB4 had, which is the main reason you don't see many modifications for vB5.

And that remains true. It's hard to learn and hard to modify. That is your number one reason, much as people like to claim other reasons.

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Originally Posted by WOLF-G4MIN-X

Removing possibilities for plugins & mods, and with that limiting it more and more, for a price of 200 $ thats not ok. If you couldn't get your security stuff solved, try harder (yeah, I know, sounds so easy and I am pretty sure it wasn't). But again, for the price that you ask for your product, thats not an excuse in my opinion.

Do you understand why the plugin system was considered a security risk?

It's got nothing to do with how vBulletin itself is coded.
It's because people can easily hook malicious code in there.
You can't "get your security stuff solved" when it isn't your code that's responsible.

Rightly or wrongly, that's the situation, and running around shouting "it's all nasty vBulletin's fault" in a long post where you've just demonstrated you that you fundamentally don't understand the system you're talking about, isn't really a good starting point.

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Originally Posted by WOLF-G4MIN-X

I still like vB (4), but its a big disappointment how the devs defend their actions in such a way, considering its their doing that it came to what it did. As so often, people like to hear good things about their accomplishments, but not the bad. Then they get cranky.

You do understand that when you work for a large company as a developer, you code what you are told to code?

It doesn't matter whether you agree it's a good idea or not, you do as you are told, or you have no job.

I rather tire of seeing the very skilled and very hard working vB development team slated like every world problem is their fault.

You want to slate management decisions, of vBulletin or any company, go right ahead. Don't slate the staff who are doing what they told to do, just like with most jobs.