1) How far do you think vBulletin would have come without any additional modifications coded for it?
2) If these so called people that don't want modificatons, why are they on here asking if there is this or that available as a mod, since the core does not have it?
3) Is there not many features that are in vB3 and vB4 not in vB5?
4) You really think that 72 hours is enough time to install, learn the workings, and making a informed decision on weather vB5 is for you?
4a) If you feel it is enough time, then explain why is it said user tries the demo, buys and installs vB5, then makes all kind of threads on vB.com about errors in the product.
5) Why with so many missing features that were available in previous versions, left to die, while developers work on adding new features that were never in the product?
6) Why instead of adding new features, why are the bugs that have been in the software from day one still around, instead of making the product bug free first?
7) Why were there alpha/beta testers, they expressed their opinions on many things like the hook system, but their cries for help went to the wayside?
8) If vB5 was so great, how come there are so many users looking for ways to downgrade to vB4?
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Lets look at the stats:
vB4 was released as Gold in December of 2009. In December of 2011, two years after it's release, these were the stats. (source,
https://web.archive.org/web/20111226...play.php?f=198 and
https://web.archive.org/web/20111225...play.php?f=212)
vBulletin 4.x Add-ons: 1359
vBulletin 4.x Template Modifications: 473
vBulletin 4.x Styles: 313
Now lets look at vB5, two years after it's release.
vBulletin 5.x Products & Extensions: 53
vBulletin 5.x Template Modifications: 21
vBulletin 5.x Styles: 21
Also two years after vB5 is released, the market share of vB5 installs is only at 1.4% of all vBulletin instillation's, which shows, even the member base using vBulletin don't like the direction it went in. (source,
https://tools.digitalpoint.com/cookie-search)
Not to mention that many users/coders have moved away from vBulletin to other platforms.
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The members ( or naysayers ) on this site are not like the haters on sites like TAZ, we here
loved the product for what it once was. We stuck around through the vB4 debacle, hoping that it would get better and it did. The development community proved that, by sticking around and making mods for the product.
But alas, IB and their infinite wisdom decided, well the customers were stupid enough to put up with us ( IB ) making a complete mess out of the software once, so hey, lets try it again. This did not sit well with man, many members, and they decided to jump ship. Those of us that are still here are because we like the previous versions, but not vB5.
We will tell anyone asking if vB5 is good, and if they should go with it a solid NO. What I tend to tell people is install vB4, get the site to where you want. Then make a test site with the backup from your vB4 site and then upgrade the test site to vB5, and see what it is all about. This is because once you go with vB5 you are stuck with it. Unless of course you want to pay some one in the range of $500 to downgrade it, or purchase another forum platform, move the site there, then move it to vB4.
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Bottom line is, according to stats, forum software users, as well as developers do not like vB5, the market share of people running vb5 speaks for it's self,
https://tools.digitalpoint.com/cookie-search
Also with IB introducing the Cloud, it is obvious they care nothing for the development community, since you can not modify anything on the site other than some CSS. So IMO, at this rate the development community will be fully dead on here.
Look at the participation on this site:
Not as many people here anymore at all.
Take for instance MOTM voting:
Oct 2010 186 people voted.
Oct 2011 134 people voted.
Oct 2012 48 people voted.
Oct 2013 35 people voted.
Oct 2014 43 people voted.
So as you can see there is a significant drop in participation there.
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Lets go back to today's date, 2012
https://web.archive.org/web/20120123...t.ru/index.php
155 members online. Now you will be hard pressed to see it over 50.
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