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Originally Posted by ozzy47

Well, the users that moved, made a choice and moved, and either stay because they like it, or they have to because they upgraded a live site, without taking a backup, and can not downgrade.

Originally Posted by cellarius

And how many of those users said "I trusted vB, because it always was a great product, but OMG, if only I had read all this before upgrading, now, how can I go back to vB4"?

These two statements cannot be more true of the stated facts about vBulletin 5. In most cases I've seen people who upgraded did not research before the upgrade and they upgraded a live site and did not perform the upgrade in a controlled test environment. Then not too long after that they come back and post on either this site or vBulletin.com asking how they can put vBulletin 5 back to vBulletin 4 because they are now losing members, revenue, & traffic on their site BECAUSE of the upgrade and the bugs that were incurred with vBulletin 5.

@Mark I never said anyone using vBulletin 5 was stupid nor did I say they were ignorant. I simply have said in threads to people that were trying to decide what to install that vBulletin 5 is KNOWN to be buggy at best. I simply think quite a few people are misinformed and vBulletin (Internet Brands) is surely not going to inform them that the product is full of bugs and has many performance issues. I'll say to you what I said to Zachery in another thread. I realize that you are probably paid to be a vBulletin cheerleader but I'll not recommend a product to people that I believe is buggy or that will cause them a loss of members & revenue.

As for stalking people on other sites and posting about vBulletin 5 being buggy, that is not something I do personally. I really do not have time for that kind of immature 12 year old type of mentality and don't participate in it. I rarely post on vBulletin.com and when I do its related to my license or a problem I have with what I'm running on my site and that is it. But people come to this site & vBulletin.com to find out about vBulletin and ask questions about what they should run, how they should run it and what they should install etc. And they should get the full story about the product as a whole whether vBulletin or Internet Brands likes it or not. If Internet Brands has such a problem with what people are saying about their product why don't they just fix it and make things right instead of ignoring the problems?