[BirdOPrey5]

Originally Posted by Ramsesx

Most are just disappointed long year customers and no haters.
And as long as you blame the customers in the first line instead of resolving all the damages created by IB there will be no change for a better.

There are both disappointed customers and vicious haters. I'm not blaming the customers but it is almost a full time job watching for lies being posted from the haters- two wrongs do not make a right- they seem to think it does.

Originally Posted by BigJimTheLug

Alright, I have an issue with that. I have a licensed vbulletin, but the email that I use here at vb.org is not recognized at vbulletin.com.

How can I fix this?

Log into your Member's Area at https://members.vbulletin.com and add your vBulletin.org email address to the Priority Forum Support list- check what you have listed there- and double check your vbulletin.com account email matches exactly. If you still have trouble open a support ticket.

Originally Posted by BigJimTheLug

So when v5 was released to the public for sales, was the public informed that v5 was a radical departure from previous editions of vbulletin software?

Certainly in the forums and tickets when people inquired about VB5 I (and most other staff I could see) would warn people VB5 was a very big change from VB4, the biggest change from any version of VB before, and we suggested they try the demo first before deciding to upgrade their forums. I still suggest this to people inquiring about VB5.

Also, did the software team give any rationale behind the development and change of vbulletin to v5? What was vbulletin trying to accomplish with the development of v5?

A more modern, more social forum experience.

Originally Posted by TheLastSuperman

I'm still baffled as to why it was removed Paul it just baffles me... to have vBulletin, to have a pre-sales area on here even where people ask about mods before purchase - all the times we've steered them in a direction or told them it could be done, mods and methods that made them want to purchase and now that has simply been removed? Remove the system remove an increase in sales through modding. Why is it I see more migrating from the Cloud everyday saying it could not give them what they wanted (customization) so that is a clue if anything.

I just don't see the logic in it, so they paid you to remove what brought them more sales it just does not compute and I'm a fanboy, on the vBulletin bandwagon even but I still can't see it, I hate to say it.

Plugins have a downside... They make overall system less safe- with a plugin system if someone gets Admin access to the forum they more or less have access to the whole hosting account as they can create a plugin to give them disk access. With the VB5 extension system a hacked Admin account would not give disk access.

Also plugins only really work for the desktop version. With ForumRunner, Tapatalk, and the VB Mobile Suite plugins cause problems- some are active, some are not- some will cause errors on this mobile platforms.

The idea of doing everything via extensions is a clean one and one that would prevent such problems introduced by plugins- but what we got was a system simply not capable of allowing all the mods we were used to.

If they could redo the extensions system in some way that allowed total control I'd be for it, but realistically a plugin system would be easier to implement.