[Dr.CustUmz]

Originally Posted by tbworld

Are you really going to defend your claim in court. An attorney's take on the situation is only informational, they do not uphold the law -- just help you research/present/defend your view. Paying the branding free option is much cheaper then trying to be right.

The rest of us just leave the copyright in and get on with our lives. As a business man fretting over this does not make any sense to me. Just trying to help.

We all know where you are coming from.

its not that, and if i wasn't going to be selling my skins here shortly i really wouldn't be making to big of a deal about it. To clarify this a little, I'll share the PM I sent to Zach with you guys. It's not that i want to argue this, but i mean... technically speaking i'm branding it... anyway here's what i PM'd him (since he actually works for J$ / vB)

im not trying to argue about this or anything, it's more of a curiosity. overall i am still including the copyright, i keep vBulletin plainly visible, yes i know it's not ideally the way vB would like it to be done... but credit is still givin.

what i showed in the SS is kind of the way i want to go about it for all of my skins even thought up some pretty cool css transition ones that are collapsed to say "powered by vBulletin(c)" and then on hover it expands to say the rest of the copyright info, even though i believe "powered by vBulletin" is all that is required, but that's kind of the reason i'd like to speak to you guys, or even an attorney about it.

the only reason it's such a big deal to me is because i plan on making and selling skins, if it was just being debated for my personal site i really would not be arguing my cause so much lol.

but, if needed i can throw together a few html examples of different ways i was thinking and you and your co workers could take a look at them, or even let the law guy see them =) it's nothing too serious and its really not a big deal if i end up just having to print the phrase on my footer templates, BUT i'd just like there to be a uniqueness to my skins. i kind of get that this hover popup one not being approved how i demo'd it in the screen shot, but if i were to have the visible text say "powered by vbulletin(c)" and the hover show the rest i dont see why there would be any issues with that.

like i said though, i can make an html file full of different ways, and have you guys let me know what is/isn't acceptable.

maybe that will give you guys a better idea too =)

i have a feeling vB's TOS are about to change a little lol