[katie hunter]

Originally Posted by Necrovaris

Like I said, you need to look harder. Someone else already posted the Sony links.

But seems pointless to continue this discussion, you seem so blinded by your hatred of XenForo, you only see what you want to see

Don't put words in my mouth, i never said I hated XF, in fact you will see my answer below : ) I am going to do what i see best for myself and my users, not what you guys wants to hear to praise a particular product that is yet in development and inferior.

Originally Posted by squidsk

You do realize the naivety of this statement right. Software that is released for use (i.e. not beta) should be stable and run without problems, not necessarily bug free since that's impossible. To say that you aren't upgrading to vb5 for 2+ years from release says a ton about the quality of the software, especially when you are saying the main reason you aren't moving is because it isn't yet good enough a year after release.

Again what does it say about the software if it took 4 years from release before you thought it was stable enough for you to use on a live site.

Could you imagine if say some software was release in 2014 but it wasn't usable until 2018? How many people are going to buy the product? How many of the people that do buy the product are going to hang around and buy the next version that gets released afterwards? How many are going to hang around for a third version after the second one is the same way? That's not a reasonable way to run a business since you have no income stream, or at least minimal income stream, for four years after a release.

You really summuarize vb5 by saying I can't use it now because it isn't good enough, but I'll hope it'll better in a year or two. No software can survive if that is the opinion of the people who are suppose to be using it, and you're a strong supporter of the software who's willing to stick around. Most people aren't going to stick around for 2-3 years after release (we're already 1 year past release now) to see if the software actually becomes usable, they're going to find alternatives.

To answer both of you, i am someone who waits for a product to shape up better for my needs, these answers are flawed. The same reason why i didn't jump right away and bought Xenforo but the difference between VB and XF is that the XF community and their staff didn't like someone who is active on their community and critic their product yet that person didn't buy their product, they would rather get rid of that person. And the reason i didn't buy XF was because XF was not ready for me to use and needed 2 years in development.

When i said this over there, no body liked my comment and you will receive comments like "Why are you posting here then?" or "Why are you still active if you aren't buying the product?" and from XF staff point of view, their actions were "These threads are meant for customers feedback only, if you are a customer, add your license to your account, thread locked"

VB 4.x is ready for my needs.
Neither XF or VB 5.x is ready for my needs and both needs 1 - 2 years to shape up.

I joined XF on Sep 20, 2012 and never bought the product but i was active on XF. They didn't like seeing members who join and not buy their software because they think it not ready. XF is not ready for me and that is why i never bought it.