[katie hunter]

Originally Posted by Necrovaris

Katie, I would love to enter a reasoned debate with you, but your boardering on the realms of fantasy with what you write.

You also seem to have some weird belief that: quality code = features.

And I suggest you look into the vbulletin history a bit more.

Yes Mike and Kier worked at vb for 9 years. In that time they wrote the most successful forum software in the world. Vbulletin 3.

It was only however in the final 2 years of their employment that vb was purchased by internet brands, and thats when things started going down hill, for reasons well documented. So who do I blame? Internet brands.

I'm just wondering, have you moved your site to vBulletin 5 yet? If not, why not?

I've tested XF and didn't like it, it is really that simple. Two years later, i might look at it again and see where they are at, but i doubt they would make that much of a difference for staff who censor topics discussing future features or closing topics. I found XF messy to track options or settings and a bit simple yet cluttered in the same time when it comes to the admin cp. I found XF doing that XF wants to do not what customers wishes to see, so their conservative mentality of saying they know better what customers wants was really disturbing, that was in Kier's interview. As the product stands out, XF is inferior to VB and now others are not talking about the product but speaking about the developers, seriously.

I never moved my site to vb 5.x because as of now vb 4.x is perfect for me and my users, while vb 5.x needs another year or so to shape up better. Just like i never moved to vb 4.x when it came out, i only moved from vb 3.7.6 to vb 4.x just last year when i felt that it is completely stable now and i won't face issues. I am not someone who rushes and try to test out products, i usually give it a good 2 years or so to see everyone's feedback.

While I want to use VB 5.x for a new project, i can't right now, and my option is looking at Discourse forum but a year or two later, i will see where vb 5.x is at.