[katie hunter]

Originally Posted by TheLastSuperman

I never once saw Kier (one of the xenforo founders) be an arse to anyone so I know it's not him doing it and we should not judge a software and their business ethics based on the mistakes of one or more staff members (unless its simply unforgivable, use your imagination I'm speaking of a worst case scenario etc) and I never knew Mike that well so I can't say one way or the other about him.

So ladies and gents how about we just leave out the moderation of posts and compare the actual software to each other not the actions of people, having posts moderated or deleted is something no one likes not even me but such is life. No matter what you pretty much have freedom of speech on the ORG so long as it's within the correct forum and related to the topic (ohh and me personally I just hate seeing some of you be mean to each other, uncalled for at best) .

Mike, i have an open ticket with Xenforo and as of now this restriction was not addressed, nor lifted, nor an apology was rendered, despite asking for my ticket to be forwarded to a higher up management either Mike or Kier. As for the bashing, it doesn't have to be Kier himself doing it personally, they extensively allow it and are aware of it and never denied it, especially against VB, and XF Staff/moderators allow it like Jeremy and Brogan, they talk about VB all the time especially in their "Pre-Sales Question" and "Off Topic" sections.

I haven't posted on XF for quite few month since Dec 2013 but i don't expect Brogan a staff from XF to talk about me and saying lies and when i tended to reply properly, my comments are all moderated and deleted, not even approved and shown visible and Jeremy backed Brogan saying in a ticket.

"Upon review, the post by Brogan is neither insulting nor bullying, and is in line with our rules."

So their entire management system is based upon censoring and sugar coating. Still pending to see a proper respond from Mike or Kier and i doubt they care to address customer satisfaction, actually Mike told me this in the past :

If you do not find this or any of our rules acceptable, I can only suggest that you do not post on the XenForo.com forums.

and changed his tone later to this

you are welcome to return to the forums and continue posting.

I never experienced this sort of respond in tickets from a Vbulletin staff or management. That is the difference. Sure i want to see VB advances better and want to see nice social features and disappointed with VB5 but i also pay attention to customer satisfaction and how company's staff respond via tickets.

In any ways, enough is enough seeing XF members turning each topic into a fight on VB while doing as they please over there. It is time that we address features as adults and see the difference and what we can do for VB to become better, i believe with time, it will be better. I think what VB needs is more attention from IB management and for more new Web developers and Web designers to join the VB team with new ideas, a vision, and innovation to help with the work load.