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Thanks Lynne, i'm working nights for the next 3 nights so i'll take a look then, one question though, wouldn't adding a table increase the size of the navbar height?, the whole reason for putting the logo where it is was to gain some screen real estate, having it in the standard place top left meant a scroll before seeing anything on the site, so i decided to freshen the look up and move the logo to the dead space there.

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I've added the table showing secion1 section 2 and it would increase the height by logo height, or do i have it wrong?

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