[Pandemikk]

Originally Posted by BSMedia

I dont know how anyone could use vB 4.

Just go back through, and count the "Bug fixes" released in each version...and tell me how its "stable".

Example:
4.1.11 166 bug fixes
4.1.10 300+ bug fixes (apparently to many to count past 300)
etc etc etc

There's bug fixes in 3.8.x versions as well. In fact, 3.8.7 still has unresolved bugs that will most likely not be addressed as the company has decided to dedicate its time and development to the 4.x series.

It's pretty unfair to compare bugs in a .8 vs. a .1 version. Of course the .8 will have less bugs and be more reliable! But if anyone remembers 3.1 you would know that 4.1 is doing far better than it did.

Personally, the vB 4 upgrade was easy- but then again I have a lot of technical experience with vBulletin. For non-technical forum admins I could definitely see how the upgrade would be a pass in the ass, as I don't think it is quite user friendly enough. Why? I think it should back-up the database and restore the database should the upgrade go wrong, and it should require the vB4 upgrade to be in a completely new directory so that if all goes wrong the user can simply revert back to vB3 and try again. But that's just asking for perfection, and, tbh, if your forum doesn't have a tech admin able to upgrade without assistance you need to find one if you plan on growing your forum at all.

How do I feel about vB4 now? I like it. I like the new layout, it's more profession and modern. Sure it took some time to get use to, but even Google and Facebook get negative feedback when they update their looks. People seem to be inherently against change, but overtime they get use to it and, for the most part, agree that the new look is better than the old.

Some features new in vB4 that I enjoy:

• CSS & Divs replace Tables and inline styles - It's 2012, it's time to use semantic mark up.
• New Editor - It's just way better. Better cross-browser compatibility, cleaner, etc.
• Updated template syntax - Simply love it. Else if, each, namespaced, etc.
• Stylevars - Allows for better modification custimization and it's more friendly than digging through the templates. It still needs work though, how are we suppose to know what each stylevar defines unless we dig through the templates?
• More AJAX functionality - There's still needs to be more though. I can't wait until they AJAX pagination (for threads at least).

Those just stick out to me atm. But there's little things scattered around that I like, such as quoting in the quick reply instead of a new reply and buttons using HTML and CSS instead of images.