[TheLastSuperman]

Originally Posted by blind-eddie

I am not sure if I speak for others but, I am sick of hearing about XenForo. ....Good luck to you I applaud the makers of XenForo for branching out on your own, but this is still a vbulletin hack discussion board....Why allow free advertisement for XenForo on an official vbulletin hack site?

Take this discussion to their forum.....

It's already there just slightly titled different point being see below...

Originally Posted by Lionel

And vB coders are not even allowed to talk about their mods which extend vB!!!

Or commercial modifications for that matter yet this thread discussing what is going to be sold around the same price ranges of IPB and vB etc is still open and going. I'm actually thrilled to see something new but other than that I'm not here to bad mouth it either but there's some facts that I see from my point of view.

The facts are this:

vBulletin is out now, thousands use it, some bugs, active site, active modifications, known ways to customize and style.
xenForo is not out now (released for purchase etc), only 1,464 members the other night and I can bet you money someone, somewhere out of all those 1400+ or more when they buy it up will have a bug, there will be at least one bug and I can imagine more. It's being tested in one (or maybe a few but not nearly in the scope of vB not for a while will it be imo) evironment not thousands. Many who have issues I reply to here on vb.org an on vb.com have issues due to how their Host has the server configured or them for that matter or simply not remembering they had done tons of things to their forums over time without cleanup and that's why something went wrong etc yet all this time vBulletin was the bad guy, there's more misconceptions than bugs for the love of whatever you believe in.

Breather people, we can all talk the talk now but until you walk the walk with product in hand your quick wit, humor, or all out smart-arse remarks are pointless including your logic unless you come in this thread directly after my post and say "I'm beta testing, it's marvelous and your wrong" then you don't have one leg to stand on and I'll still want to see the URL but then guess what... the old saying goes "I'd have to see it to believe it" and I'm a coder I want to see files not source code. Just to be clear as some will read this entire statement the wrong way for the love of... again, I'm not against xF but I do think this thread has slightly bent the rules here and I can't even get a reversed infraction to disappear off my usercp info here What Marco? Shoot me in the foot later it's 5am here I've been coding all night and well that's just how I feel .