[James Birkett]

This software isn't a vBulletin killer until we see the final product.

Originally Posted by KURTZ

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I lol'd at the xF reference - good one!

Originally Posted by theFM

hehehe , i will say ... they already have done a nice job for the skin.... rather the default skin of Xen is much better than default of vb , we may customize everything , thats not a matter of concern

The Matter of Concern are : -

Too much of JavaScript usage
Too much of animation tags usage
Really i don't see a Proper CMS , in Action , vb4 had a bad , BUT HAD A CMS to Use
The Use of Widgets are Unavilable
No Additional Feature which will make It a bit different from vbulletin 3/4 ... really to say
No Image Gallery
No SEO Optimisation or use of Chronical URls
No Preset Sitemap Present
No Tagging Option prsent
No FaceBook/Tweeter Integration Feature Like that of vb4
......... these are only a few features

FOR These to develop a be a "vBulletin Killer" .... will take a minimum of 3 - 4 years may be much more remember vbulletin is what you see have done 7 - 8 Years of complete work . and now it is the best in it's market

I will only welcome Xenforo as a Competitive that Kier has made it , and now we will witness a new vb5 , Completely New System , much Simpler and Super ..... thats why i welcome Xen so that vb will now be greater than that

JS usage: Disable JS and it will work great. Also, I don't see the JS affecting page loads by much and it makes the general browsing of the forum much more elegant.

CMS - They have already explained they are working on solid forum software and they have a CMS in mind. Might I add that there's no point building a CMS until there's a solid forum foundation to build it on.

Widgets - It's in its alpha stages, how do you know what they do and do not have in mind?

The easy usage differs from vB. There is also no moderator control panel and all of the controls are in-line which a lot of people prefer.

Image gallery - Again, it is in alpha.

SEO - please go and browse their forum again. www.xenforo.com/community

Sitemap - It could have a built-in sitemap for all we know? Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.

Tagging option? I don't recall vBulletin 4 having this (then again I don't use it).

It does have Facebook integration and it has been suggested that its easy to integrate other social networking sites.

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

He probably means that with 8+ years of knowledge from the start of coding, they are doing things different then they ever could do with vBulletin where existing code had to be taken into consideration and even the current database design and large number of external applications.

PS Also remember that they where in the team that set the way towards vB4 as it is now.

Exactly. In a few years time, XF might have outdated code and be a lot harder to change. The good thing about XF is that Kier and Mike are the owners and the developers, they have complete control whereas as part of IB they didn't have free rein over the product.