thanks all
in vb3, the CSS was simple & I liked it. even if I didn't get it, I could always ignore it & hard core what I wanted. with vb4 it's at a whole other level. i'll check out the stylevar visual dictionary, actually start using topstyle, & checkout
http://w3schools.com/
thanks again.
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AHHAHAH!!!
I just saw the "CSS templates" in the template manager. now it's so much clearer. i spent a whole day trying to figure out where all these style sheet settings were. looking at "forumbits.css" I can see what's happening & what I need to do to make my edits. it's like someone turned on the lights.