[masonox]

Yes that does work, on my test forums i have the stylevar as the stars, but anything else i do to try put in that nebula in puts in in the forum background instead of being on the same "playing field" the stars are on. Its hard to explain, i want to do everything on the same level as doc_background. I can't find where the doc_background is being called in the templates. I see it defined in the vbulletin.css but where it is being applied so i can see if i can div around it in the actual display templates i can't find. Anything I do, deals with the forum element itself.. like the white background on this page. If I use these forums as an example. The color blue would be my stars, but any time I try to find a place to put in the nebula it goes into the "white" area of these forums. Which is not what I want as it extends beyond the bordes and is more free flowing and blended than the very harsh constrained "white" areas of this forum.

I am no longer going to use this current design as I have to change some of the graphics and then redesign the header for vb4.0 but you can see more of what I am talking about with the stars then nebula then forums idea that I am referring too. Also, I think I am also going to have to work on the base background level with the footer too http://www.darkbargainers.com/tst/tstconcept.png