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Originally Posted by TWood

Thanks for that, and the article in your link. I've been wondering about those so-called 'enterprise' level products and whether I should be considering them for an upcoming project. You actually got a price for Jive, which is a feat since their site is mostly an endless loop of marketing superlatives. Now I see why.

I bought licenses for both vBulletin and IPB so I could test them out. It turns out that vBulletin has a critical feature that I need, so that's the route we'll take. Happy it can take on the task.

In my license agreement there's a line that says:



That really should end all this sturm und drang.

There's a lot of discussion on why people aren't taking that line seriously. Something to do with laws in certain regions, there's a lot more information on the vBulletin.com licensed customer forum.

As for any experience with Jive or Lithium... not positive. For Jive, it's got a reputation (well deservedly) of being way behind the curve in terms of features and forum design. For Lithium... it's got stuff like security issues and what not, considering I've seen forums using it have to block words like '.cgi' and '.pl' because the HTML allowed format was causing problems. And how easy it was to screw up the page with some sneaky HTML posting...

Originally Posted by Black Tiger

@Cheat-Master30: I think you have to go and have a look again.
UBB threads has a bit different pricing.
Standard license 199 dollar
Silver (5 year updates) 499
Lifetime 725 lifetime updates for free!

But this does only proves that UBB is expensive, as it always has been.

Mybb - Free
Phpfusion - Free
PhpBB (with good support) - Free
And if we go and have a look at commercial forums you smartly let out the new owners of Jelsoft, being IB.
And an IB forum license costs..... correct... 149 dollar!

So vBulletin is not the most expensive, but it certainly is also not cheap software.
And Wolfstream never said vBulletin was expensive, he said it was not cheap and he is correct.

The point I was making though is that it's cheaper compared to a lot of competitors, and more expensive compared to others. Your mileage may vary on how 'cheap' vBulletin is considered for you, but it's not exactly some highly priced product, and Invision aren't their only competitors.

But you must agree that they should know better then do a major change (building a suite now) without proper communication way in advance, about what it's going to be and how people who bought the addons already, get compensated. That's a lack of communications which is now (together with the sudden price rais last year without proper communication in advance) damaging their name at this point.
Count that to the fact that people get fired or major contributors like Mike and Kier leaving, you will have users that get afraid that Jelsoft is sliding down hill.

And that's the problem, and the bigger problem is dat Jelsoft does not give any reaction, making people think their thoughts and maybe rumours are true. People get worried.

Jelsoft has never really been a greatly 'here's our roadmap for the next [time period]' company. It's not like Internet Brands is making the communication worse, more likely slowly improving a communication problem that's been going for years. I never heard anyone was fired either, everyone who's gave a reason gave it as a voluntary leaving, or in the case of Floris, part voluntary and part health problems related.