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Originally Posted by wolfstream

If you buy something , the seller is legally bound to stand by the sales description, or contract, no? Of course they are.
All you have to do is upgrade (or extend) your license to see the description which states that you will continue to have access to the members area where you can download future versions of vBulletin, while this is current.

I don't know the exact wording, they will no longer (obviously) allow people to renew over a certain period of time (ie: if you have more than a year on the license left, you have to wit till just under a year) to do it, but as of a few days ago, that's EXACTLy what it said. The same goes for the blog:


So, somewhere, IB is planning on royally screwing their customers.




LOW price? Are you kidding me? $200 is a "low price"? For $200, I can get software to run my entire computer, two of them even. Low price?? That's hardly the case

vBulletin is not expensive. If you honestly think it's expensive, you have no idea what expense can actually be. I wrote about that here:

http://dsultimate.net/Board/upload/blog.php?b=332

• vBulletin- $430 plus server costs
• UBB Threads- $694, $598 or $725 depending on package
• Mes Discussions- $3450 (plus server costs?)
• Community Server Enterprise- $120 000
• FuseTalk.NET- $4998 possibly plus
• FuseTalk- $4998 (wow, same!)
• Groupee- $1800 shared server, $35928
• Jive- $299700 minimum, and for 4 CPUs, $778500 dedicated server
• Lithium- I really don't want to know, way too high

That's not the vBulletin 4 pricing for vBulletin, but still. There are many types of forum software that cost nigh on 500-1000 dollars EACH, and yet people claim vBulletin is expensive. Invision is the same general price as vBulletin. Etc. Sure, many people online apparently have this 'expect everything for free' mentality, but vBulletin is no way an expensive piece of software.


Secondly, I think way too many people are panicking about this. They've not figured out their upgrade path yet, but I'd be very surprised if people were going to have their license someone destroyed without any real reasoning or major change or whatever. Even worse is the amount of people who assume Internet Brands will charge full price of the software for the vBulletin 4 upgrade, even though that's nowhere stated to be the case.

Not speculation at all. If you want to keep your head buried in the sand, that's ok, but it's certainly not speculation. Since IB has taken the product over, they've done nothing but raise prices, fire staff (or cause them to leave) and act unprofessional, tearing the vBulletin name apart. At one time, it was a great name, now it's just garbage, because of IB.

It's not garbage. It's currently better than practically any other forum software out there. I don't personally agree with most of Internet Brands and their decisions personally, I have no affiliation with them, and I certainly don't think they generally run their forums that well (based on a study of many of them and their declining activity levels I did a few weeks back), but vBulletin to be fair is probably their BEST managed property of all those they've listed on their website. vBulletin does seem to be getting new features and value brought to it. The software's certainly not dying or been torn about like some of their other properties.

We don't know that exactly, but the likelyhood is pretty high that, yes, that is the case. We do know that work on external stuff (blog, PT) has ceased, we do NOT know what they plan on doing with those of us dumb enough to believe IB's lies (and yeah I said US, I'm in that group as well).

I don't think work on those has stopped entirely, it's just being somewhat postponed to work on things people actually care about, like vBulletin 4 and the CMS. Most customers certainly don't care too much about the Project Tools.