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Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

Conditions can change, get over it. What you have not shown at all is actual evidence of vB screwing its customers.

Firstly, once the sale is already made, terms can not change. BOTH the seller and the buyer are bound by those terms. The problem is that sellers try to weasel their way out of this any way possible, and many succeed because of ridiculous lawyer types that basically point out loopholes.

Secondly, you need to be more informed before you jump on the "vBulletin isn't screwing it's customers" bandwagon. It has been made very public that there will be an upgrade fee, we're just waiting on the 'how much'. That would be fine, if the renewals didn't currently (and previously) state that you'd have access to members area for downloading of future versions of vBulletin for x amount of time.

Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

You're simply trying to demand others be dissatisfied as well, without giving any good reasons as to why we should be dissatisfied, just a lot of emo and speculation.

I don't really care if you're dissatisfied or not. In fact, if you get ripped off, hey, so much the better as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes that's what it takes to get people to wake up, see what's really going on and take action.

The reason is given, you just have to actually do your own research and be informed, not bury your head in the sand and pretend it aint coming.

we can judge about that after a while of experience with the new owner

You are aware that IB isn't exactly a "new owner", right? It's been over two years, or probably just around 1/5th of vB's lifetime (not sure the exact date vB started), so not so much a new owner.

Since IB took over:
First price hike in years (last year). Not by much, so it was ok. They didn't break contracts, so, again, it was ok

Leaked information (good or bad, we don't know, it could all be a publicity stunt)

Failure to address said leaked info.

Closure of beta testing (good or bad, again, we don't know, and won't know until 4.x comes out)

2nd price hike . As proposed, it's a $15 hike for purchased forums (no leased forums available, as rumored)

Complete abandonment of contracts re: previously sold applications (ie: blog, PT, vB, etc)

I'm not sure how much more it would take for IB to turn vB into "garbage", but they're pretty much well on their way to it.