[Ronald0]

Originally Posted by Gio~Logist

If the best argument for vBulletin is that it's overkill, then my argument is that you just don't know what to do with it

And if you're going to complain about the heavy load, optimize your design. If you want something simple and to the point and without room for expansion.. Then don't use vBulletin. Heh, just my two cents.

I agree they can work a bit on simplicity and less complication, but once you learn your way around, try to see if drupal can compare then.

Agreed but why make more complication when people now still have more then enough trouble with the simple things? They will not necessarily kill vbulletin but it will come to a extent of losing buyers and such. That is my opinion on it, people have spent days/weeks/months/years working on how its gotten today. And its a pretty big organization with tons of support but if they go ahead and make it more then it really is then they will guarantee lose tons of people due to making it like that. Yes you can customize and say what you want about that, and i do agree. BUT 40% of the people cant customize the software that there is now or that has been released. How do they expect people to do it with a even more difficult software? But hey we will see what happens.