[The Geek]

But smack... we are talking about internationally recognised human rights. Illegally and indefinitely incarcerating people without due process is a violation of basic human rights regardless of how much hot air is used to justify the fact. I respect you guys have your own views, just disappointed that you believe human rights are only afforded to humans that you don't harbour suspicion about.

Leadership takes balls and courage. This could come back to bite Obama in the ass, however at least he has the spine to put his money where his mouth is and enact change. That is what he was elected to do and right or wrong, he is doing it. In this day and age, I take my hat off (if I was wearing one) to any politician that does that.

Hope is much harder to inspire than hate and fear. We've had 8 years of the later, I'm game to try something new.

I'll bow out of this debate because its not a debate, it is simply polarised viewpoints being vented much like religion (or politics)!

In the imortal words of Mr. Springer: Be good to one another.