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So, if a group has permission to create a forum, and has the required number of members, what else could stop them from creating? I don't see a link as an admin, and my group creators don't either that have 75 members. When you say check parent forum, how would that stop the forum from being created (assuming it exists)?

Edit: Somehow, this solved itself.

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