[Ncturnal]

Originally Posted by Weapon-x

Ncturnal I have been over to Iraq many many times. And the media controls this country. They don't show you exactly how good we are doing over there. The media only shows us deaths, and stuff. They never report on what achievements we have made for the Iraq people.

I think the media in general favors the war. They were key in pushing the WMD propaganda that was used to justify the war in the first place.

Keep in mind you can't go to war without people dieing.

No doubt, but this war could have been prevented. WMDs was cover for other ulterior motives prompting this war. Oil interests are the sole reason for us being there.

They are going to bash bush and the war and everything else. But if you haven't gone to Iraq your self then you really do not know how good we are doing over there. Ask some of the soldiers. Plus I will say a lot of soldiers knew what could happen when they signed up for the job. They want to protect our country and that is there job. Now some soldiers just signed up for the money and think that we would never go into war but they are wrong.

I'm prior military and a Gulf war vet. I still have plenty of friends in the armed services. None of them I know want to be there and they don't want to play policeman for Iraq. The suicide rate for veterans is around 18%. Ron Paul has received more in donations from military personnel than any other candidate and that has to be because he's the only one promising to bring them home.

I will agree that yes Iraq did not crash planes into the world trade center. It was the terrorist group. And yes we should be focusing out troops more on Bin Laden then anyone else.

Agreed

Now taking down the power in Iraq was a good idea because those people were in a bad country. Did we find Weapons of Mass Destruction No but he DID have the ability to produce them. That was the major threat.

I completely disagree with this point. The WMD scare was just hype. Iraq never posed a threat to us. They didn't shoot down a single plane in 10 years prior to this war. Their Army is a fraction of what it was during the Gulf war. They have no Air Force or Navy and no way to launch an attack against us. There are countless other "bad countries" that we completely ignore no matter how many of their own people they kill. The ONLY reason we took an interest in this one is because of OIL. There is no debating this and that nullifies every contrived justification for killing 1.2 million of their people.

Are troops dieing? Yes, It's a war.

An unnecessary one.

Do we exactly know why we got bombed on 9/11? No the only person who knows that is Bin Laden.

We know exactly why he did it. He told us specifically why he attacked us: Our ties to the Saudi family, our occupation of their holy land, and our support of Isreal. The 911 attacks were blow-back as a direct result of our foreign policy in the Middle East. The 911 Commission report confirms this. Paul Wolfowitz confirms this. Michael Scheuer, the head of the CIA's Bin Laden group confirms this. I really don't get why this fact alludes some people. You can't do whatever you want to other countries and not expect some sort of retaliation. You can bet if someone did the same things to us, we'd retaliate.

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Originally Posted by smacklan

Where do you get 1.2 million dead? What we have done, is free the Iraqi's from Saddam so they can exterminate each other...lotta love between those muslim brothers over there.

655000 since we invaded in 2003. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101001442.html The rest were during the sanctions we imposed. Yes, a lot of them are killing each other, but we are directly responsible for a majority of the 655000 deaths otherwise. We are also responsible for the civil war that has ensued. Even Cheney admitted in 94 that overthrowing Saddam was a bad idea. (posted earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY) It doesn't take much to understand that we created the mess.