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Old 10-30-2007, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MPDev View Post
I would suggest that it is mostly because of posts like this. When you are a coder, it's one thing to share your code with others who give back to you; but when a huge population of people have nothing to offer and need constant hand holding to install even the most simple of mods, well, it's get old real quick.

vB.org was active when there was a strong community of developers feeding off of each other; now it's a huge portal for people wanting to update their software with "free" stuff and then demanding support because they don't have a clue or are unwilling to spend even a few minutes trying to figure out their own problem.

After a while even the most die hard of coders gives up and just codes for themselves thinking "why bother".
Pretty much. I personally haven't encountered anything like as high a percentage of ungrateful users as this thread makes it sound, but of course it happens. And equally the same bad attitude, while equally rare, is noticably not restricted to non-coders either.

Paul M said that 150 users join per day, how many of those are coders? A tiny percentage no doubt. vb.org is inevitably a victim of its own success. And it is a success. 150 new users daily is no small figure. The quality of some of the modifications/design on here is terrific even if (again, probably inevitably) some of the top class move on to greater things. I don't think there are fewer coders or fewer good modifications or anything like that. It's just that the demographics have shifted considerably.

Surely the real question is what can be done about it? Because if that is the cause - and there seems little disagreement that it is - then the trend will only continue in the same direction. Especially since as the userbase expands, modifications will receive even more posts and support requests and so on, polite or otherwise, and will become even more difficult to deal with.
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