[MarkPW]

Originally Posted by ChrisLM2001

Read that thread -- I did nothing. I was just setting up the server, and tweaking vBulletin and got swamped by Yahoo. Think it was 4 to 6hrs from the time I first installed vB.

The point you made was that you used no keywords, yet you still got indexed. Just because you haven't "set up shop", have no keywords or have no general content, doesn't mean you will not get indexed. Where have I alleged that you must use keywords to get indexed?

My sites always have content (which is how it's indexed and crawled without keywords).

You are completely missing the connection between content and the keywords within it. Content contains keywords. If you run a football site and make no reference to football within your content, then you will not be found when a user searches "football" or variations of it.

Content is not why you are indexed and crawled. Every site that search engines find, whether they contain any content or not, are added to their index and crawled every now and again to check for updates, as is the case with the many websites/domains I own with holding pages, but no content.

Yeah, site age has a main factor in it with Google (for now). I get more hits from a website I let sit for a year, than the active blog I post upon now (even though it has the traffic).

To further the example in my previous post, I own mykeyword.co.uk and mykeywordsolutions.com, the latter of which is 2 years older than the co.uk. When I search "mykeyword", the co.uk comes #1; bear in mind it only makes reference to "mykeyword" in the domain name and title. However, my .com of which does have content, sits at #10. If site age is such a vital factor, then why are these sites not placed the other way around?

SEO is a scam, Mark...SEO is about marketer marketing themselves, and hiding the choice data for themselves to justify their existence (or to sell books and services). That's how that business operates.

That's an extremely myopic and ill-thought-out generalisation. Quality content is #1 for me - there's nothing better that creating stuff that people want - but no search engine can interpret content the same way as a human can. For this reason, I find it essential to carefully target the content towards the keywords I want people to find me for - there's nothing wrong or unethical about that.

Yes you are, since there's $$$$ involved. Otherwise, this topic would've long been over.

If I was that interested in money, I wouldn't be wasting my time debating this topic with you. Judging by how little you take in and your failure/refusal to acknowledge that their are acceptable and ethical methods of SEO, that do work, it's probably sensible to end the discussion here.