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Originally Posted by Paul M

Err, what is this 'paid script service' we introduced (six months ago ?) that you seem so obsessed about

I was talking about this announcement here (From December 2006):
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=102471

After that was announced, a lot of coders said they would no longer offer free support anymore because the site was adding a commercial side to it. But those comments were mostly said in another thread that was posted before that announcement, which you used as a test bed for feedback on the idea first.

Originally Posted by Brad

If you're trying to imply that I'm trying to do that you're wrong. Heck I've probably got half of his software laying around on my HDD somewhere, multiple people have asked me to tweak it for them in the past (or integrate it with their site, GARs begin the main one) and most of the time the first thing I do is dump their php files and database on one of my local work stations.

I want to build on top of what he's already done. I want to improve his work and put my own spin on it and I want to be able to release it to you all so you can use it, extend it, hack it, learn from it, whatever.

Honestly I'm getting sick of these arguments over nothing. I'm starting to think a few of you are really nuts, crazy, not right in the head. But then again you probably think the same thing about me.

I shouldn't even be replying to this but I will not let this one go. You think I'm some low-life? Let me tell you something. Where I come from family is still the most important thing in this world.

You think I'm trying to pressure him into releasing his work here? News flash; I'm just letting him know I'd appreciate it if he did and I'd probably keep an eye on his work and make sure it gets ported in the future. I'm trying to help you and help him! But no, you have to shoot your mouth off because everyone wants to jump on the "vB.org ruins good hacks" bandwagon this week.

You've struck a nerve with me (and anyone that thinks the same way as you is included). But don't worry about it, I don't really care, it's just the internet and this is just a message board.

Eh I suppose this is the reaction you wanted. You want me to go make an ass out of myself so my opinion looks like the "bad one". I'm mostly a lone in my opinion but you'll notice I tend to stick to it. I don't hop on bandwagons...

O and BTW I already have most of his software and I'm not a customer. You see I have customers as well, customers that use his software and love it. I work with his software just about everyday! Right now I'm doing heavy modification to GARs for a client and I would like to release it to the community. Right now I can't but if The Geek decided to release his work here under a friendly license I could.

That's up to him and I'm not pestering him over it. I'm not sending him PMs, IMs, e-mails, nor am I holding a gun to his head and forcing him to read this thread.

Think before you post. Some of us still aren't afraid to express our opinion even if it isn't the popular one.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go to bed. Us working people have to be up at 7am.

I wouldn't take it as a personal insult aimed at yourself Brad, that he means your going to rip SAMS code off to sell it under another name. I think Lizard King in talking about other people here in general taking advantage if its released for Free. And lets face it, if it happened were a person ripped it of to sell. vB.org will take their usual stance of not wanting to get involved in the matter like they always do. Thats why this is the wrong place to release them.

But at the end of the day, it's SAMS choice, he's not stupid and he most know this could happen, no matter what site he decides to release them on for free. Especially seeing as GARS is a popular hack for sale.

I feel the same way as others, I think he should hang on for a while until his personal life gets more sorted. Then make a more sensible decision, instead of a rash one. Maybe even consider approaching another coder to take over from him to sell the hacks and support them, just paying himself a small percentage of the sale. So he still gets something for his work over the years.