[ixian]

Well, you can look at my site if you want to see a non-wrapped vb that's integrated with Joomla to a degree - just took a lot of work customizing the vbulletin skin to match the Joomla one. Add in the bbpixel bridge for $20 and you have a pretty well integrated site on the front end, just two with different admin areas on the back to worry about.

I wasn't looking at using this hack because originally it just used Vbulletins template system for Joomla pages - that might have worked out for some, but for those like me who already have a lot of work in to nice looking Joomla templates it was a no-go - but now that there is an option to use Joomla templates for Joomla pages I may try it out.

You could wait for a converter, and for Fireboard to become more stable, but frankly Fireboard doesn't have half the features vbulletin does and it's not all that integrated either - it's skins and templates are also separate, so if you are looking for a fully integrated "look" you still have a lot of work to do.