[sabret00the]

All this talk about the good old days. honestly when i think of the good old days, the only person i can think of who tried to uphold those values was Boofo. The good old days are gone, dead. there is nothing here no more, except for mods and extensions. renamed in order to appeal to a wider market who weren't comfortable with the fact that modifying your source code for the benefit of your community voids your right to moan to jelsoft.

the good old days? oh how it's so easy to moan and want to relive an era long lost? how are you going to get back to the good old days with half a moderating team that doesn't deserve to be there?

coders talk about feeling appreciated and it's a farce, you either do what you do because you enjoy it or you do it for the reward it's that simple. knowing that someone clicked installed isn't going to fix anything bar inflate your ego, knowing someone appreciated using something you made and shared isn't the same as clicking a button.

and all of paid hacks are evil crap is crap, long before any of us hacked vBulletin we paid for it, ok some folks warez'd it first but you get my drift, whether you want to say they shouldn't be available on here or not is another issue but paid hacks are far from evil.

the funny thing is, to the best of my knowledge if my license ran out tomorrow despite my however many hundred installs i wouldn't be able to download hacks or get support here any more, now that's real gratitude for you.

the thing is you all need to wake up, you got a mix of teenagers from a get everything now culture which is being incubated by the ease of plugins and then you have the corperates who act like they're paying for your work. this place as a community is dead get used to it.

whether people like it or not this is a PHP community and yet PHP has zero focus on the outside, what community is there for PHP discussions? and coding help? it doesn't exist. you can't have a community without the community spirit. you post a dilemma here, at sitepoint and on lj's php comm's at the same time and i promise you, you'll realise just how much of a community spirit there is here? it's like people are like don't bump your threads too regularly, well guess what if it was else where you wouldn't have a chance too because community spirit exists.

This isn't any sort of vBulletin resource, it's a smash and grab 5000 greedy admins come on here every day without reading instructions just wanting, wanting, wanting, no one wants to give back. of course there are exceptions i've seen amy and christian in a couple threads for mods. the bottom line is no one here helps unless you help them.

there is no striving for excellence no more, no encouragement, no appreciation of the code, no appreciation of the concepts, everyone just want, and when they don't get they throw tantrums.

The worst thing that could've ever happend to this place was for Jelsoft to take control because Jelsoft see it as a good given right of an addon to there flagship product and thus the onus on who to please is the end user and the bottom line is, this place should have remained like taboo.

This is supposed to be about coders and the code and perhaps the most signifcant conversation i've seen on the code was actually on sitepoint. yeah times change and that's good and dandy but this?...