[TECK]

Originally Posted by d8tabyte

Every thread you post on this matter helps to destroy this community, not fix it. These conversations are better had behind the curtains by those who can make a difference, not by the general mob.

Just my opinion - and sorry if I step out of bounds giving it.

I agree that whining does not help, but I truly believe that we don't do this here.
I'm confident that the vB.org administration already started taking notes from this thread in order to lineup certain rules that will make happy both worlds, hackers and users.

Your oppinion counts, do not be shy. We will not criticize you... I could actully say say that we thank you for posting guidelines and personal oppinions.
That's what it's missing guys/girls: guidelines to what we want us, the vB.org community.
However, I do not agree that this should be done behing our back by the administration, that's actually the worst thing you could do... decide for people how things will be in the forums.
If you want to gain respect, ask your members how they want it... they will love you for the fact that you let their oppinon count also in the community.

If I would be site admin, I would start with a series of polls about the site features and structure.
I will let my users decide what is best for them. I don't want to be a Hitler and say: Hey, that's the way it goes, you don't like it I can fix you a nice ban so you don't have to worry about posting.

One more time, my intentions with this thread were the following:
1. Emphasize that without hackers, the community will die, with all the good design and intentions the Staff have.
2. Create a reminder of how things were in the past and why we should adapt/bring back the old and oiled rules (that worked well) to the new community.
3. Trigger a signal alarm to Staff about the direction the site is going.
4. Get feedback from actual users what they really want.

So go ahead and post your thoughts, I guarantee you the the Staff is watching this thread closely.
If you do not post, nobody will know that you exist and your person counts, newbie or hacker.

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

When Teck is talking about going back to the old days (correct me if I'm wrong) I don't think he's saying to roll the board back to be like vb version X and to get the same staff, etc. I think he means to make it feel like the old days.

You are correct.