[tgreer]

Then please tell me the proper interpretation of your post #111, Boofo. What about my interpretation is "twisted"? It seems very clear and unambiguous.

The "Coders Discussion" is a real issue. I'm not the only one who thinks so. It is not a figment of my fevered imagination, and you can't sweep it away by saying it's only a problem because I'm trying to make it one. I have access to it; I released a silly little hack so I could gain access, so this isn't a personal issue. It's a sitewide issue that has caused a rift, and undermines the very raison d'etre of the site.

The arguments put forth are:

• It's a "reward" for contributors.
• We discuss security issues in there, which our users shouldn't see.
• Newbies wouldn't benefit.
• The other programming sections aren't any good.

Surely anyone can see how weak and self-defeating these arguments are? It's obvious, though, that I've lost this battle, and that the only staff response is going to be more of what you've been dishing out, so this thread has been yet another useless exercise.

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

you realize that coders don't get paid, right? you make it sound as if you're entitled to their code and support because you paid money for someone else's product (vbulletin).

Huh? Where? When? I've made no such implication, anywhere. What's needed is a development discussion community. Whether or not such discussions lead to a published plugin, for free or for pay, really doesn't matter one way or another to me. It's nice that many are indeed released, for free, and non-programmers and plugin users should be rightfully grateful for that... but that's a complete non-sequitor to the issue at hand.