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See this funny (sad?) video clip. It doesn't look like they're collecting bread and water.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/891102377...n-walmart/256k

FYI... The land on which the Wal-Mart in New Orleans/St. Bernard parish sits (floats) is owned by a foundation that is run by members of my family. What the news didn't tell you about the Wal-Mart IN THAT CLIP YOU POSTED is that they OPENED THEIR DOORS to the crowds, and said "take what you need." Then the news crews all filmed it and not a single one reported that the "looters" were INVITED IN TO TAKE WHAT THEY NEEDED since the merchandise was already water damaged!

It really pi**es me off that the press would rather show films of the "looting," than tell you that the people were ALLOWED in to that wal-mart!!!

You got that right Yo...people are too easily led by the biased liberal media outlets and the left in general that's sole purpose in life now is to do whatever possible to bring down GW Bush even to the detriment of this country. You wonder why there is a gas crisis? (aside from the fact that Katrina has shut down refinerys and the ability to supply fuel)...ask the environmental whackos and the left in general that has prevented a refinery from being built in this country for 30 years as well as no oil exploration...and people wonder why we are dependant on others for fuel! Another thing that is so sad is that most of those poor souls affected in New Orleans by this disaster were poor, welfare dependant people who's lives have been ruined by total dependency on welfare to the point when they needed some skills to survive, they had none.

Do you have any evidence to back up this outlandish claim?

Of course, some hardship causes these "poor souls" to loot, rape, kill, attack hospitals, shoot at rescuers, etc. It seems extreme circumstances bring out the best in some, and the worst in others. The latter holds true for some of the inhabitants of New Orleans.

There's a fuel crisis not for political reasons, but because, you know, there's only so much oil in the world. I could make many clever yet offensive metaphors on what the US needs to do to stop using freaking oil for everything.

It is so cliche and popular to blame the government always for everything. But who put the government in power in the first place? The voters! This was a natural disaster, and I personally observed George Bush's impassioned plea to the inhabitants of New Orleans to leave the city before the hurricane struck... but many just didn't want to listen. Hurricanes strike the US every year, and no-one had any clue this time it would be the big one. It is just that - a natural disaster. No-one is immune to those...

The Wal-MArt land is leased by the Meraux Foundation. The head of that foundation is a family member. Believe me, I am in touch with what happened there. Call me a liar if you want, but I know what happened. The reporter on the MSNBC clip even says "The people here say they were told it was OK," and they were!
Don't believe everything you hear on FOX news.

THOUSANDS of families didn't have the MEANS to leave! Sure it is easy to tell poor people with no money to their name to leave their home, but until you provide a MEANS for those to be able to leave, and a place for them to go, then that "impassioned plea" is useless. It is easy to blame the victims, but that is not the right thing to do.

It wasn't a natural disaster... there would be no problems if the levees (which were supposed to be built stronger by 1975 by a bill passed in 1965...) weren't weak.

This is no proof or evidence.

I believe what my eyes see on CNN, Sky, Fox, BBC, etc etc... unless they were doctored video clips, LOL.


I do not call a criminal a "victim". Of course, I am not saying all are criminals. But a worrying percentage of them indeed were - from day one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4213214.stm

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2005/09/4.jpg

National Guardsmen arrested those suspected of causing trouble

Yea it is popular to blame the gov, or "at-least" in this case its proper to, if you had been following the news casts since katrina hit, youd notice a drastic change in bush's reaction to the situation.At first was something of that it wasnt a major crisis at all(This is why help was so late to arrive, as NG wasnt dispatched yet) to that of this is National crisis and that all attention needs to be deverted or something like that, all in one week, ill try and find the clip that was on cnn.

OK, this is getting ridiculous:

• It was a natural disaster, thus caused by no individual, political party, group, or nation
• People were told to leave the area
• Many people had no means of leaving the area
• New Orleans was not so intelligently founded by locating it below sea level, thus making it so vulnerable to storm surge
• A person is smart. People are stupid and this is where the looting and eventual "shoot to kill" order for looters came from.

I can't comment on the political state of the recovery because I haven't been closely following the situation (news is so ridiculously infused with bias and emotion instead of factual information that I don't bother anymore) and I do not debate politics online.

Broadly agree. I think it is irresponsible for some groups to attempt to make political capital out of this sad natural disaster.

Hell yea. They should stop making petroleum jelly (vaseline) its a derivitive from oil.

so in other words you are calling me a liar. You don't believe that my family directly involved in this situation. Believe me - it is true. The wal-mart opened their doors, and they are even establishing outpost "mini-walmart's" all along the region to give away stuff to people that need it. But, I suppose I am making that up also :ermm: There is no need in debating FACT. Call up wal-mart and ask them yourself if what I am saying is not true.

There is no news report to back up this claim? They really invited people to come and pick up their free TV's, Sony Playstations and Grand Theft Auto games? :D

I'm not calling you a liar - I don't know you personally. But I also can't take everything you say as gospel truth. That would be naive.

Actually it's plastics where we'll be eventually be screwed over, but being the second-highest oil consumer in the world, much of that gasoline, isn't helping.

(Canada is the highest, in case you were wondering)

sidenote, since we are on the subject of OIL: if companies/people would switch over to biodiesel then we could lessen our dependence on dino-fuel. Biodiesel is not flammable, it is non-toxic, and it lets your engine run cooler. It is a better lubricant than dino-based fuels, and it is renewable. Using soy or rapeseed oil, or some other high-yield oil you can produce biodiesel for about 1/2 the current cost of dino-fuel. Germany has been running on 100% biodiesel for awhile, due to laws/mandates, and they are going to be in a much better situation when the crunch happens, as a result.

Does it burn (or whatever) cleaner than gasoline, or at the least, clean enough to meet EPA regulations? Is it a powerful enough substitute for gasoline?

That's the problem with current gasoline alternatives (not counting hybrids) such as pure electrics, natural gas, or hydrogen: there is no infrastructure set up. It's a deadlock situation, because there's no incentive to set up the infrastructure because nobody owns the cars because there's no infrastructure.

While bio diesel burns cleaner, the total energy cost to create it is higher.

yea...........thats really what people are worring about at that time in there lifes, when there home is gone, there lifes have been totally devested,and they possibly havnt had food/water in days.<sarcasm>Oh, but i forgot thats all people careabout is videogames...</sarcasm>

Just 2 things:
- The possible maximum at this time of bio-gasoline is not even 0.01 percent of the needs.
- Do any of you know what people in Europe pay (and not just now, but already a very long time) for their gasoline?

PS If any thread again turns into personal slanders or political statements, i will not hesitate to close it on first sight.

I agree with all of your statements filburt1. My statement regarding the welfare class didn't include the criminal class, of which New Orleans is inundated with (highest murder rate in the country). The welfare class (for the most part) is a whole generation of people who don't work, don't want to work and are perfectly happy to let someone else take care of them (we the taxpayers) and have very little sense of self-responsiblity. Welfare was designed as assistance, but too many in this country suck it for all it's worth and it does a great disservice to this country.

That depends on the source of the fuel. Currently Biodiesel is selling for .50 a gallon cheaper around here than diesel (and that is for B20). B100 is going for a bit more, but runs better.

The main reason for that is because the oil companies have kept it that way. In just a few years, with the proper incentives that could turn around dramatically.

Yes- it burns CLEANER than regular diesel. Bio-diesel smells like french fries when it is burning. You can DRINK bio-diesel, with no bad effects. You can toss an open flame in it and it won't burn. Currently The US govt. is giving blenders a $1 per gallon incentinve to produce Bio-Diesel (effective 1/01/2006) so expect to start seeing more of it in your future. Regular diesel cars can run on biodiesel with no conversion needed.

When Rudolf Diesel first invented the diesel engine he intended it to be run on any type of fuel, in fact it was first developed to run on coal dust, which was in abundance at that time. It was intended to help farmers and people in remote areas who didn't have access to fuel,. Add lye to any oil (such as pig renderings or peanut oil), let the chemical reaction take place, and then remove the lye and voila- diesel fuel. Diesel originally thought that the diesel engine, (readily adaptable in size and utilizing locally available fuels like vegetable oil) would enable independent craftsmen, artisans, farmers and small industry to endure the powered competition of larger industries that then virtually monopolized the predominant power source-the oversized, expensive, fuel-wasting steam engine.

Diesel fuel does not need and is not dependent on dino-fuel.

But- there is no need for me to go on talking about it when you can read all about it at the National Bio-Diesel Board.

Diesel fuel ignites through compression in the cylinders, yes? Hence why there are no spark plugs?

No matter what the fuel, the fundamental attitude many Americans have must change to stop being dependent on gasoline. That is the one true thing holding back the country from switching to less expensive, cleaner, less politically motivated fuels given gasoline of one kind or another has been used for over a hundred years.

There is no news to back this up because that would be good news, the media doesn't like good news.

They want death and destruction.

Diesel engines rely on COMPRESSION to ignite the fuel, so no spark plugs are needed. Rudolf Diesel discovered that intense compression would cause even vegetable oil to ignite. It is silly to use petroleum based products for diesel - the only reason that they do is due to the intense oil lobby. Before the oil fields were discovered (the big oil boom) biodiesel was the direction of the future, and it still is.

I agree that we need to rely less on any type of fuel - the need for oil is spiraling out of control but in the meantime biodiesel is one of our biggest salvations. But- don't expect to see too much of it until the big oil companies can dump their petroleum based fuel reserves. The oil that they are pumping out of the ground now is literally the dredges of the oil supply. We have used up an incredible amount of the earths resources in an amazingly short amount of time.

Biodiesel is less toxic than table salt and biodegrades as fast as sugar. Most new Diesel cars and trucks can run on B100. If I were buying a new car/truck I would definitely look at a diesel for that very reason, especially if B20 or B50, or B100 is already available in your area (as it is here).

Norway is the country in all of the Western world making the most money on oil, and we pay 11 NOK a gallon for our gasoline. To compare, US citizens pay 4 NOK a gallon (last I heard). 1 NOK is approx 6 USD.

I pay 3.27 a gallon USD

yoyoyoyo,

I sincerely hope that your family members and loved ones in the area are safe.

Don't most those countries have MASS transist systems in place though that is cheaper people can take, unlike america's infrastructure which is horrible and lacking the mass transportation in most areas?

Most large cities in America have suitable large mass transportation networks. Unfortunately for transportation's sake, there is also a lot of suburban sprawl in America (I know personally I wouldn't want to live in the city nor a rural environment).

Is this documented anywhere online? I'd really like to read up on it further... thanks!

edit: I found this but it says Canada was 7th?

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/canada.html

Cheers,

~Regs.

Maybe in the northeast and west coast, but certainly not anywhere else. No city in Texas does. Atlanta sure doesn't. Neither does St. Louis or KC.