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Dean C 07-26-2005 06:03 PM
vBulletin 3.5 RC1 Released
 
For more information see the announcement at vB.com:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148275

Enjoy! :D

Dream 07-26-2005 06:14 PM
what are those new plugin stuff? im upgrading now

Andreas 07-26-2005 06:22 PM
It's now possible to create XMLs that contain Plugins, Phrases, Settings and Templates - as well as running Install/Uninstall Code (for Queries, etc.)
Also a Product can be disabled/uninstalled at once, so you don't have to deactivate/delete every single Plugin.

Furthermore, there are Hooks in certain ACP areas now, which will cut down the need for File Edits :)

Logikos 07-26-2005 06:23 PM
See Jelsoft really does love the hacking community! :p

Boofo 07-26-2005 06:28 PM
Do we need to upgrade our 3.5 RC1 with this then? If so, just replace the files or run an upgrade script, too?

Dream 07-26-2005 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirbyDE
It's now possible to create XMLs that contain Plugins, Phrases, Settings and Templates - as well as running Install/Uninstall Code (for Queries, etc.)
Also a Product can be disabled/uninstalled at once, so you don't have to deactivate/delete every single Plugin.

Furthermore, there are Hooks in certain ACP areas now, which will cut down the need for File Edits :)
sounds like my "custom template mod" became useless

not complaining, I didnt think they would do this :), sounds great

Boofo 07-26-2005 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream
sounds like my "custom template mod" became useless

not complaining, I didnt think they would do this :), sounds great
You're gonna love the plug-in system a lot better. ;)

Dream 07-26-2005 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boofo
You're gonna love the plug-in system a lot better. ;)
im wondering how you choose the phrases to export tho

D|ver 07-26-2005 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirbyDE
It's now possible to create XMLs that contain Plugins, Phrases, Settings and Templates - as well as running Install/Uninstall Code (for Queries, etc.)
Also a Product can be disabled/uninstalled at once, so you don't have to deactivate/delete every single Plugin.

Furthermore, there are Hooks in certain ACP areas now, which will cut down the need for File Edits :)
sounds great :)
but will the major hacks support the plugin system?
are there really no file edits necessary any more?

Paul M 07-26-2005 06:51 PM
For anyone interested, these hooks were added to RC1 ;

Code:
forumadmin_add_default
forumadmin_edit_form
forumadmin_update_save
forumdisplay_query
bbcode_create
admin_global
admin_index_main
admin_index_navigation
admin_options_processing
admin_usergroup_edit
admin_usergroup_save
admin_permissions
can_administer
template_groups
mod_global
mod_index_main
mod_index_navigation
login_verify_failure_username
login_verify_failure_password
showthread_query
threadfpdata_doset
useradmin_edit_start
useradmin_edit_column1
useradmin_edit_column2
useradmin_update_save
userdata_doset
and this was removed ;

Code:
login_verify_failure

Boofo 07-26-2005 06:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream
im wondering how you choose the phrases to export tho
As Kirby explained to me:

Quote:
Enable Debug Mode, go to ACP / Plugin System / Manage Product and create a new Protuct.
Then when you create Phrases, Templates, etc. make sure you select this Product.
When you are finished, go to ACP / Plugin System 7 Manage Product and select Export from the Dropdown.

This will create an XML with all the Plugins, Phrases, etc. used by your Hack.
The User can then just import this Product and everything will be installed.
Hope this helps. ;)

amykhar 07-26-2005 06:56 PM
Awesome :) This is going to make my life so much easier.

Amy

Boofo 07-26-2005 06:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by D|ver
sounds great :)
but will the major hacks support the plugin system?
are there really no file edits necessary any more?
I don't think file edits will completely go away right away. As the plug-in system grows and gets refined, there will be less and less need for file edits on most hacks. It will take some time, I'm sure, but think of the ride getting there! ;)

Andreas 07-26-2005 06:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream
sounds like my "custom template mod" became useless
APM got (mostly) useless too ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream
im wondering how you choose the phrases to export tho
This might help: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=92953

Quote:
Originally Posted by D|ver
sounds great :)
but will the major hacks support the plugin system?
are there really no file edits necessary any more?
I think most actively supported Hacks will convert to Plugins as far as possible.
Although the Plugin System drastically cuts down the need for File Edits, there will always be things that can't be done with Plugins.

Dream 07-26-2005 07:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boofo
Hope this helps. ;)
cool, how I turn debug/dev mode on again? I add something to the config.php right

Zachery 07-26-2005 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dream
cool, how I turn debug/dev mode on again? I add something to the config.php right
$config['Misc']['Debug'] = 1;

Dream 07-26-2005 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zachery
$config['Misc']['Debug'] = 1;
anywhere? can it be $config['Misc']['Debug'] = true;? :P

edit: seems to be

Andreas 07-26-2005 07:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zachery
$config['Misc']['Debug'] = 1;
Zach, I think it's case-sensitive as this doesn't work for me - $config['Misc']['debug'] = 1; does.

Erwin 07-26-2005 08:55 PM
How very cool. :) The plugin installer is essentially a "hack" installer built-in.

Boofo 07-26-2005 09:05 PM
Kind of blows the HTL away, doesn't it? ;)

Brad 07-26-2005 09:39 PM
RC1 is great, looking forward to the gold release. :)

Boofo 07-26-2005 09:43 PM
How do we upgrade to this RC1 from the RC1 we have now?

TruthElixirX 07-27-2005 01:01 AM
What other RC1? This is the first RC1...

deathemperor 07-27-2005 01:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TruthElixirX
What other RC1? This is the first RC1...
you can read the announcement in vb.com

TruthElixirX 07-27-2005 01:27 AM
Yeah..There is an announcement fro the relese of RC1. I read it. Thi is the first RC1 for vbulletin 3.5 that I know of. Hence why I was asking why he woul upgrade from the 'other' RC1 because I can't find an annou cement reardingf a 2nd RC1.

deathemperor 07-27-2005 02:33 AM
I think he was aiming for the RC1 of vb 3.0

Ron1n 07-27-2005 12:58 PM
My thoughts on the new system:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin (in another thread)
After making my OWN installer sytem which parses files and executes queries, template changes, code modifications, and more.... it has become obsolete before the release. I was waiting to release the new vbdownloads until I finished the hackinstaller program, but I dont think thats needed anymore. I will quickly port vbdownloads to work with the vbulletin.com installer and then release it.

This really makes me angry that all my time was wasted, but I guess its a good thing that the installer will be included automatically in all vbulletin releases from 3.5 on.
Yup... its a good thing but jesus - if only I knew they would be releasing it so quickly I wouldnt have wasted my time.

Paul M 07-27-2005 01:01 PM
I think Staff members got a preview version of RC1 .... so a few bug fixes may be missing.

Link14716 07-27-2005 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
I think Staff members got a preview version of RC1 .... so a few bug fixes may be missing.
Yes. We found that out before Beta 1 and I went into a +++++ing rage. :)

Still no fetch_musername hook? :( Time to start campaigning for one in RC2 then. :)

amykhar 07-27-2005 02:47 PM
Rage is the wrong emotion ;). Yes, I am jealous that they get the new toys first. BUT, because they had it a bit early, when WE got it, there were tutorials ready for us on how to use the new features. I'd say that was worth them getting a sneak preview.

Amy

Link14716 07-27-2005 02:59 PM
Floris was ready to kickban me out of #vBfans a few times. ;)

I need to stop being lazy and get things done now that I can play with it, though. :)

Wayne Luke 07-27-2005 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
I think Staff members got a preview version of RC1 .... so a few bug fixes may be missing.
Yes, this is correct. It was critical to our testing process and allowed a shorter release time. We did something similar with the release of vBulletin 3 when we had a limited beta release before the public release. This is standard operating procedure with most software companies. We didn't need to open the limited beta period up to customer application this time because we have enough staff and volunteers at this site to help with that initial bug-testing period.
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I am sorry if this policy "enrages" some of you but I don't see the practice changing in the foreseeable future as it allows us to build a better product.

TruthElixirX 07-27-2005 03:32 PM
I don't see how its a bad thing. I assumed all companies did this withthier products. Or the vast majority.

Paul M 07-27-2005 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
I am sorry if this "enrages" some of you but I don't see the practice changing in the foreseeable future as it allows us to build a better product.
huh ? - I take it this was not directed at me, even though you have quoted me, as I'm not aware of ever commenting on the this :confused:

Link14716 07-27-2005 04:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
I am sorry if this "enrages" some of you but I don't see the practice changing in the foreseeable future as it allows us to build a better product.
I doesn't. My comment was that it did because I was throwing a hissy fit for 3.5. I'm blaming Zachery for that, it always works. :p

Wayne Luke 07-27-2005 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
huh ? - I take it this was not directed at me, even though you have quoted me, as I'm not aware of ever commenting on the this :confused:
I have edited the post in an attempt to further separate the two paragraphs. "Some of you" is commonly thought to be a plural invective within the context of that sentence. This means it is directed at multiple people but no one in general while decrying the supposed "rage". I didn't believe people were literally angry about this, which is why enrage is in quotes.

bigcurt 07-27-2005 05:46 PM
[offtopic]^^Even Wayne made his avatar 80x80 :-D.[/offtopic]

~Curt

rinkrat 07-28-2005 09:32 PM
I am running 3.05 and my mysql database is bloated with extra tables from various mods I installed. I'd like to strip off all of the extra BS and upgrade to 3.5RC1 yet still retain the basic settings for all of my users stock VB features?

Thanks in advance for any help!

Marco van Herwaarden 07-29-2005 02:35 AM
The easiest way to clean your board from any Hack information is to use ImpEx to import your current board into a fresh database. Please read the stickied posts in the Import System forum at vb.com before using it, and i suggest you do some testruns first.

Boofo 07-29-2005 03:09 AM
I apologize to everyone for blirting that out. I thought everyone already knew, my mistake. Again, sorry, and it won't happen again. ;)

(NOTE TO SELF: Boofo must remember to think before speaking.)


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