No paid hacks rule
 

... is, in my opinion, pretty much pointless... Here's why:

- Advertising paid work does not harm neither this community nor its staff, as long as it has something to do with vB. It does benefit those who want what is in advertising.
- Some work is worth too much time to do for free. If some people do not value their time - it's their freedom not to value it, but it is also the freedom of others to request payment for it.
- If a piece of work is something userful, a person who created it must have an ability to tell the world about it. In case of vB hacks, there is no better place than this community. If a coder would do the same through a site, he would have to let people know about that site first. Which again would have to do with advertising..
- Posting advertising posts does not make a purchase obligatory.
- Posting advertising posts just makes all the hacks (paid and non-paid) centerred in one location, which benefits the community and esspecially those, who are willing to pay..

Considering everything I said above, what is the point in restricting advertisements of vB hacks?

You are free to advertise your paid hacks in your signature - I feel that is enough for this Community :)

Satan

Does anybody read those signature?

Then why do you bother 'advertising' yours in your sig ????

Edit: Hmm, you edited your post as I was replying, which did say something like, "who bothers reading them ...".

Because that is the only thing I can do without having it deleted. -_-

I read signatures all the time. If i want to know if Hellsatan is going to port any of his hacks. Instead of making a thread or PM to him. I check his sig first. And that goes towards any hacker

Okay, then it must only be me who does not read the signatures..

Anyway, I think it would be a good idea to create a separate sub-forum for the paid hacks :)

It might be a good idea to create a subforum for hackers who want to advertise there paid hacks. I've spoken to a few clients who didn't know about sites beacuse there is no where to search for such site unless your ranked hi in google.

We may look at this as a paid monthly service in the future. I mean if you are going to be making money off your hacks, then we should make money off the advertisement on our site.

I can't guarantee anything will come of it though.

I read EVERYONE signature..there so intreresting on here ( especially satans XD lol )

That's just silly, and very short-sighted view on why developers share their work on vb.org.

Nothing against you selling your stuff, but that's just demeaning to many here who value their time more than you do, and actually make more money out of it, without the need to put a price on every tiny bit of script they write.

Paid hacks, IMHO, can represent a lot of problems to vb.org and it's members, if endorsed in any way by vb.org. Since the community here cannot see the code and test it, it's bound to have some with security flaws that will go unnoticed. We'll be probably see a lot of disputes from members who didn't receive their goods after paying for it, and a lot of issues with licensing keys and licensing schemes like that one you did for that html manual script.

What you should do man is do what brian ( vBAdvanced ) and others did..just make a website where you sell all your things ( also have your free stuff on there ) and just link it in your signature. That way vbulletin.org has no affiliations or anything with it...wouldnt that be the best thing to do?

~Curt

That would be great! Do something similar to what sitepoint.com does. ;)

He doesn't like the fact that you have to place it in signatures. He believes they get unnoticed.

I read signatures - They're kind of hard to miss...

Use the [high] tag to make it stand out on the page :)

Satan

Satan knows that feature very well. :p

I like my signature to stand out ;)

Satan

Haha, I love these sigs..I really do. You see some of the weirdest things 0_o

Yeah that's a good idea :)

High tag? What's that?

[ highlight ]

I agree with Wayne, he should definitely charge advertising fees. ;)

[highlight]This is in between the tags

[high] is the shorthand tag for [highlight] ;) But it doesn't make your text bold like [highlight]

Satan

me too :ermm:

I share those concerns. :)

vB.org is about volunteers offering their hacks up for free. I am not one to stop people from making money, but this is not the place for it. :)

Of course, this is a Jelsoft site so ultimately it's up to Jelsoft to decide if they want to go down that road.

It's not like you test EVERY hack they post here on vbulletin.org. You don't probably test even tenth of those... So this is just an excuse...

Why if anyone released paid hacks here, would people continue to commit free hacks.

Theres no reason for paid hacks to really be here IMO.

The only paid macks Ive gotten have been by pure chance that I actually stumbled across them. There are countless great macks out there that could benefit countless people if there was a directory for them. A positive spin off would be ti encourage more to develop even better macks for an opportunity to at least cover some of their time put into development.

Why should Jelsoft make money off the service? Seems really tight to me. Arent ypu benefitting by more customers being attracted because of the better professional options and higher quality content availible? Heck... these guys writing the macks are customers writing code that sells to other customers. 99% of the time for under $30usd. I wouldnt call that enough to make a living off of. However... its your party ;)

As far as it hurting the community... how could it? If all macks cost a little, there would be even more incentive to produce great FOC ones.

IMO, not having a directory and not supporting professional developers (who generally write your better code) hurts the community far more than not. I would kill for a listing of professional sites selling vb add ons... I am sure there would be several I would buy.

Just me humble opinion. Now Im off to nJoy a cold beer by the pool. Muwhahahahaha.

I won't be charging for any of my hacks (or my support time on them). I don't do them for profit, and neither do most other people. :) The only thing I ever charge for is installation work, and I don't do much of that as I don't have the time. Of course, anyone is free to donate if they wish, just ask and I will give you my paypal address. :)

I totally agree! :up:

IMHO, I think charging for advertisement is the wrong direction.
The more "professional" addons/styles available the more sales for vbulletin.

A 'vb professionals' directory would certainly help the community.
How many times have you seen "What are the best vbulletin design sites out there?", "Where did you purchase your design?", etc.

Free addons will never stop ... it's a good business practice.

I personally would have no problem paying for a descent hack that was added onto the site. I think a good idea that could please many people would be alowing someone to charge for a hack for a certain amount of time, then requiring that hack to be free after it. So like they could charge $10 for 3 months. After those 3 months are up, then it would be public. Or the site could make it so that a user could only make a certain amount of cash on a hack before it became public.

Also possiblities would be to allow certain user catergories to get it free. So if you created a hack and allowed for it to be downloaded (and became a "coder") you would be allowed to download hacks for free. This would make more hacks avialable.

Charging for this "advertising" seems like a bad idea to me. If someone wants to make something for vb software to improve it, then I think VB should be happy about it. They are still making their money.

An alternative may be a donate to this member button that can easily been seen on the users hacks. While this wouldn't be as profitable, the users would still get a little bit of money for there hack.

Yep, I completely agree too.
As they say - "you get what you pay for". And although sometimes it may not be true, paid stuff is usually of a higher quality.

What has testing hacks got to do with allowing commercial scripts on a free script site?

Sorry man but I just disagree, this site is about a FREE place where you can post FREE modifications to the best forum software in the world, if you want to make money off of it, that is totally fine and I understand you would like to do so, but a Jelsoft owned site is NOT the place to do it, I advise you to just make a site for your piad hacks and then link it in your sig ( and if I were jelsoft, I wouldnt allow you to do that ) just my opinion.

~Curt

hmmmmm... what was wrong with my post and why was it removed?? I was not advertising services??

Please advise as to why my post was removed from this thread...

I remember your post, and it was fairly off topic, how can you not say that it was offering services? Your spamming your site..thats just my belief, I have no clue the reason that a moderator removed it, but it was something like that haha

~Curt

personally, I wouldn't mind paying for 'advertising' ... I think it's a great way to give back to the people who run this site (volunteers).

Yes, I posted a link to my site.... spamming??? I don't think so... lol

I was just trying to help actually but oh well...... guess someone would be jealous to have hacks get posted somewhere else......... lol

It was deleted because it was self promotion:

Keep in mind that the admin's pm boxes are always open if you would rather handle such things in private.

I cannot tell you that since you erased your own post. You mentioned something about the fact that "paid hacks cannot be tested for security which would be bad".

Well it seems like they randomly erase posts... lol. Oh well.

I was actually doing people with paid hacks a favor but I am sorry... didn't mean to break the rules. I don't want to end up in vborg jail... lol

That was not Erwin who said that, it was yours truely.

Hacks on vb.org, which you say are made by people who do not value their time, are open to inspection, and all members and developers can try it, read the code freely, and report any problems.