Tsunami Videos... :(
 

Posted on another site, i just quoted him...

Wow.... Poor people...

It's really terrible, the toll rises daily. :(

I've removed link #6 due to it being quite distasteful.

That's crazy, to many people dying for me to just sit there and watch the news so i flip past that channel now.

its sad that such a natural thing can do some much damage. also all the lives lost make me sick:(

On the lighter side the US gov. was topped on their funds by Pfizer the creators of Viagra. Also bush made a silly comment by saying he plans to help the countries build ways to predict such massive tidal waves. *giggles because you cant predict earthquakes:P *

you can predict the waves coming in after the earthquake happens...



we, in the u.s. have people that monitor for tsunamis and warn if one is something worth moving away from...

those other countries don't...

yes but that tsunami only tooks minutes to form and not very long to reach the coast so the evacuation would have been impossible

Actually, they figure the people could have had 30 minutes to 1 hour warning with the proper warning system. There are special bouys that we have around the U.S. (supposedly) that works as a warning system for us in the states. A lot of people would still be killed, but you'd increase people's chances.

You have to remember these places were generally not as technically advanced as us, they won't have had a medium to get the message out that quickly. It's as simple as that, they lack the communications :)

ummm... a big ole siren next to the beach? all over i think any country in the world could manage that...

;) $125 - ebay ;)

Yes, and the hardest hit island, Sri Lanka is small enough to use this type of warning for the entire island. But the cost involved setting up an entire network of warning systems is more than most of these places could afford. Without some sort of communication network or centralized activation system, localized, secluded areas still wouldn't know when to sound an alarm until it was almost too late.

A warning system could have helped tremendously though. In some cases even 10 minutes warning could have saved lives. That's enough time to evacuate the beach, move to higher floors of a hotel, seek any sort of refuge, etc. These people were completely taken by surprise.

The most devastating part of the tragedy is the number of small children who have lost their entire family.

A siren is hardly going to help. We're talking about a planned global communication system here. You'll have to have some kind of system whereby you contact the local authorities, they set off a network of sirens, take over the local media. It's not an easy task and it will require millions (if not billions) of dollars to implement such an infrastructure.

Probably billions and years. Solve the problem, no, but you can't say it wouldn't help as a short term solution.

A siren isn't even a short-term solution, you have to have communication networks set up within these countries to turn the sirens on. You can't go round phoning every local hotel saying "Ok, there's a tsunami coming, get all your guests to high land away from the coast". This would take too long to do and also be open to abuse...

These countries as just too poor for such advanced means.

It's really a terrible thing, they also expect the death toll to rise dramatically due to waterborne diseases. =' ( . I'm pretty upset at the fact that the US isn't doing it's best to help out.

I'm not American but I wonder how you know US is not doing "it's best" and exactly what do you mean by "it's best"?

In the Indian ocean, they didnt have any warnings aboyt the wave, but in the pacific they did

I am an American, and as citizen I feel the US isn't given it's best to support the crisis. As AN-NET said, the entire funds provided by the US were surpassed by the makers of Viagra, which is absurd IMO. And I'm not one of those Bush haters who blame everything on him, I feel the US as a whole isn't up to par in helping with the crisis.


It's best, is exactly what it states. A sexual enchancement company giving more money than the United States is not it's best.

I hope I didn't offend anyone, because that's wasn't my intention.

I agree with you entirely pseudo_class, the british government over here was shamed by the public too. Our prime minister is on holiday in Egypt, soaking up the sun, whilst the country is left to run itself at this time of need to help others! The government here first pledged £15million, and within an hour of the major UK charity opening, the public alone had donated over £25million. So the governement shamed as they were have now donated £50million.

stop whining about who`s giving what - remember the uk and the USA give handouts to countries all the time so when a disaster like this happens money aint always the solution.it helps but there is other stuff to be done first.As for vigra giving more than anyone else just goes to show theres loads of ****** in the world dont it :)
Everyone is jumping on this disaster but as terrible as it is - we have a lot more people in the world wanting feeding and watering (look at africa) and this has been going on for yrs.But because this disaster is fresh in the news everyones on the bandwagon.
Disasters like this happen regular,ok this one had a lot more deaths but to me 1 death is a disaster and if u lose someone in one of these then arguing about money aint gonna help.The place out there is a wreck - our aim should be to help the people with clean water and food only.Let them rebuild their homes themselfs.Most of the islands hit where tourists attractions - do we recieve tax off these people nope so let their own country sort that problem out.

It should be noted that the owner of the forum those videos are linked from is having severe bandwidth problems at this time. He used over 220 GB of bandwidth in a single day. Archive.org also has these videos on their site and they have better bandwidth allotments.

As an American you should also know that the President only has so many funds alloted for discretionary spending and it is against the law for him to pledge more than what is allotted to him. After his discretionary fund is gone, Congress has to allocate more if they think it is worthy. And imagine, his discretionary fund only had $35 million left after his spending on the Florida Hurricanes. The President also has sent 20,000 military personnel and almost 40 Navy ships to the region to help with this tragedy. Seven of the ships have the specific purpose of creating drinkable water through desalinization. Of course the critics of his every move overlook these facts. Each of these Navy ships are packed to the hilt with in-kind donations (food, water, medicine, housing, manpower, and equipment which isn't tallied in monetary donations) and this amounts to further millions of dollars as well as heavy equipment and engineers to help rebuild infrastructure and Marine landing vehicles which can drive right up onto the beach in areas inaccessible by land or air. Of course, we won't look at that because the President doesn't have the authority to spend billions automatically and we would rather criticize this instead of realize it is a matter of law that prevents this.

Now, I am not trying to defend the President here but only pointing out how the system works. He could have requested an emergency meeting of Congress (not that they have to listen to him) and he could have had a press conference at his ranch on Sunday to speak about the tragedy instead of waiting three days to be briefed. Doesn't take a briefing to offer condolences.

Personally, the focus shouldn't be who gives what and how much right now. It should be getting help to the victims regardless of who pays for it. The larger donations to rebuild, re-educate, and place the thousands of orphans in homes will come after the immediate crisis is resolved.

If the US isn't up to helping in the crisis then why has over $150 Million (not counting the $35 million from the government) already been raised to help in the crisis? This includes private donations to aid organizations ($28 million to the Red Cross and $25 Million from the Christian Relief Center are the largest) as well as over $75 million in corporate donations. Plus the thousands of people headed to that region to provide manpower.

The US just upped their pledge to $350 million. (cnn.com) But I hate it that everyone assumes the US to be the backbone of everything. If ++++ goes down, we're supposed to help. If disaster strikes. We're supposed to help. And when we help it isn't enough. It's never enough.

The tragedy sucks. No one can deny that. But being pissed that the US government hasn't pleged a huge number of funds yet (though again, it has been upped) is just silly. I've actually read one member's post on another forum suggesting the whole thing was the fault of the US. Geeze.

A pledge is a lot different from a hard contribution though. The additional funds have to be approved by Congress before they go anywhere. I have no doubt that it will be approved though.

im british and i agree that everyone looks to america for support.But when america needs support where is everyone then ?.End of day people want to remember this aint none of our doing and as wayne luke suggested above - the main aim now is to help those who are in desperate need and helping them get clean/clothed and have fresh water and food (the basic essentials of life).Politics in any form should not hinder the progress to help these people but somewhere down the line its gonna play a big part.
How long or how much can a country be expected to give without nothing in return ? - This aint a short term problem,help is gonna be needed out there for months to come but by then a lot of the people will of moved onto something fresh or got bored with the whole situation.
If i was america i would make my donation along the line as all the other countries because america has nothing to prove to anyone and should NOT always be expected to stump up millions of pounds when america has internal problems itself.

Well we act so high and mighty as Global Police when we feel like, and I'm not putting that down if it's for people's safety. But there's another side to being so powerful and that's helping everyone out that needs it. If the US got hit by a Tsunami with the death toll up too 100,000 I'm sure everyone would want as much aid as they could possibly get.

I'm not going to make a politcal statement and ask what any other country is going to do, this is the force of nature and maybe not at it's most powerfull but it certinatly is very disctructive, may their god go with the victims and let's hope there are no after shocks.

the sad thing about all of this is that we are always expected to help when there's hundreds of countries that can help. What is your country trying to do? I get sick of hearing how bad our country is and people like you expectiong us to do what your country neglects to do. :mad:

Pseudo-Class is from the US according to his location. He just wants to ignore the fact that the initial response was just that, an initial response. No one knew the magnitude and we still don't today. I suspect that the total aid pledge from the US will continue to grow.

why should america always be the one to stump u the most ? - tragedies come and go regardless of how many died.Also remember america is at war at the moment and is losing troops each day but yet all you lot care about is sitting on your arses and debating who should pay this much and how much this country has paid.Well you all soon have something to say if america said screw u all - sort it out yourself.
Seriously though 3-6 months down the line lets see if you feel the same way when the pictures stop showing on the TV - you be to concerned at to what location u are going on holiday this year or where your football team is in the league.
Id stand by america any day - and no its not because there our big brother but because i feel we have more in common with america than with any other country in the world.

As a "Jelsoft Site Coordinator" I'd expect a little more respect from you, but I guess I'm mistaken. I don't need someone telling me what I ignore and what I don't ignore.
I don't know what you talking about in a sense of magnitude....the earthquake was a 9.0 and the disaster as a whole has been labeled a catastrophe.

Good, I expect nothing less. If it didn't grow I'd be more upset.

Now I see how people need something to hit close to home before they understand that people are dead, families are torn apart, and more people will die.

And we're part of a nation that has billions of dollars going to SAVE THE WHALES foundation when it could be helping these poor victims.

The donations to Save The Whales are private donations, not government contributions. In the last week, the American Public and its companies have donated over $150 Million dollars above and beyond the Government's contribution. These are the same private donations that go to projects like Save The Whales. Of course, these public contributions go unnoticed even though funds are being raised faster than aid requests for the Florida Hurricanes and are already outstripping funds raised immediately after 9/11. You seem to ignore the fact that American Red Cross has already committed a major portion of its Billion Dollar Emergency Disaster budget to aid in this catastrophe. Not the International Red Cross, but the one chartered by the American Government.

Maybe if you let a little of the hatred for your own country subside, you would see that people really do understand what is at stake here and are acting accordingly. You seem to be focusing on a small portion of the aid being provided by this nation. You are ignoring the free flights being provided by major airlines and companies like UPS and FEDEX. You are ignoring the thousands of Americans who have already left for the region to help including doctors, truck drivers, aid workers, nurses, and more. You are ignoring the tankers of fuel heading to the region and donated by American Oil Companies. The millions of dollars worth of medications donated by American drug companies and insurance companies. $150 Million dollars raised in 5 days and it isn't enough for you... And this doesn't even get into the Government Aid promised.

This is going to be my last statement, because it's seems that your not getting the point that I was dissapointed in the US's primary fund to help the disaster.

1. ) When did I ever say that I hate my country? So not only were you disrespectful to me but you throw words into my own mouth. I love the US, and I am glad to be apart of it. So maybe you could work on your debating and people skills, and then we'll chat some more.

2.) Me? This has nothing to do with me. I wasn't affected by the earthquake. Thankfully, I still have a home and my family and friends. You need to realize that it's about the earthquake victims and not me , you , or anyone else who wasn't affected.

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Yet again with the " you are ignoring ".

You're ignoring that the fact that I think it's excellant that these companies and individuals are doing this. But that's not going to get into your head because you think I hate america. It's really sad.

I hope the efforts grow and I hope you realize it isn't about us it's about them. And with that, I'm done with this thread. Thank You.

It is comments like this... Sorry if this isn't actually hatred for your country. That is how I interpret it. You are ashamed of your homeland.

I do realize it is about the victims and I realize that millions are helping out all around this country and in others. Instead of criticizing initial response though, I have done things to counteract it. I have contacted friends and family to encourage them to donate. I have gone through my own belongings and found blankets, clothing and other things to donate. I have given extra monetarily to help the victims. I have even written my government representatives urging them to allocate more funds for rebuilding. That is doing something to alleviate the problem. I don't benefit at all from any of it, don't even get a tax deduction because the standard deduction is still better than itemized.

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another videos :(

http://roel.net/movies/tsunami/KATC.wmv
http://roel.net/movies/tsunami/Tsuna...20camiseta.wmv
http://roel.net/movies/tsunami/patong-beach.wmv
http://roel.net/movies/tsunami/penang.wmv
http://roel.net/movies/tsunami/sri-lanka-tsunami.wmv
http://roel.net/movies/tsunami/thai.wmv
http://roel.net/movies/tsunami/tsunamiphuket.wmv

A good link to some detailed before-and-after satellite photos:
http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/1.html

[QUOTE=Erwin]A good link to some detailed before-and-after satellite photos:
http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/1.html[/QUOTE

Wow, those pictures are the closest i've seen to the ground so far.