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MPDev 11-30-2004 10:36 PM

Terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi using vB3
 
Noticed on NBC News tonight a report about Zarqawi posting responsibility for the shooting of State Deptartment employee James Mollen. The report showed a screen shot of the posting which was clearly identifiable as vB3.

That a terrorist organization would purchase vBulletin and use it on their website is shocking. Can anything be done to remove this from their site and any funds received by vBulletin be donated to the family or other good cause?

Tony G 11-30-2004 10:43 PM

Hmm, I seem to recall seeing what you saw a few weeks ago, and yeah, it definitely was a vB3.

MindTrix 11-30-2004 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MPDev
That a terrorist organization would purchase vBulletin and use it on their website is shocking.

Why is that shocking?? They want the best forum software. Its probably an illegal version :)

Umm anyway i wonder if Jelsoft will find the site and close it etc?

Brad 12-01-2004 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MindTrix
Why is that shocking?? They want the best forum software. Its probably an illegal version :)

Umm anyway i wonder if Jelsoft will find the site and close it etc?

I'm sure the law man would be more intrested in that heh....

At any rate its probbly an iilegal version, report the url to the piracy form.

filburt1 12-01-2004 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MPDev
That a terrorist organization would purchase vBulletin and use it on their website is shocking. Can anything be done to remove this from their site and any funds received by vBulletin be donated to the family or other good cause?

Assuming that they bought it and that a major nightly news network would ever get something technical correct is also shocking.

MindTrix 12-01-2004 05:51 AM

LOL true filburt.

Dean C 12-01-2004 07:00 AM

You think a man who murders innocent people would buy a license? I think not :down:

Colin F 12-01-2004 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean C
You think a man who murders innocent people would buy a license? I think not :down:

Well if you want to discuss that, I don't think that has anything at all to do with each other.

Do you think a man who murders innocent people robs groceries to get food for lunch?

Dean C 12-01-2004 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Colin F
Well if you want to discuss that, I don't think that has anything at all to do with each other.

Do you think a man who murders innocent people robs groceries to get food for lunch?

Two different ball games. I'm just raising the point that I sincerely doubt he bought his license based on what the first poster said :)

Regs 12-01-2004 08:19 PM

hmmmm... what would you do if the software being used was made and bought from you? Would you call them up and demand that they stop using your product?!?!?! What are you going to do if they say no?

Furthermore, who in their right mind would want to personally put themselves in that position?!?!?!

:D

~Regs.

Dean C 12-01-2004 08:37 PM

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Would you call them up and demand that they stop using your product?!?!?!
Yeah i'm sure mr Al-Zarqawi has his phone number and address listed in the whois database ;)

AN-net 12-01-2004 09:14 PM

lol its most likely pirated and the server is probably based in like some middle eastern country so basically jelsoft wouldnt win a piracy case since they dont respect copy right laws, and from the looks of it they dont respect human life either>_>

Erwin 12-01-2004 09:49 PM

I'm sure these guys use computers running Windows... is the Windows on their notebooks and desktops pirate versions or did they buy them? Also, surely these guys use mobile phones... did they phreak the SIM cards?

yinyang 12-02-2004 12:46 AM

remember, these terrorists lack many things, but they don't lack cash. i don't want to sound contrary to popular belief, but these terrorists have no problem paying money for things they want. and they want the best, and have been known to pay for it.

so if they purchased vbulletin. so what? half the weapons the iraqis used in the first gulf war were purchased from the US Government ... we probably should've asked for them back before we kicked them out of kuwait.

i'm not correlating iraqi's with terrorists, i'm just saying that free enterprise is free enterprise and once something is purchased, you can't hold the manufacturer responsible... unless you're in the industries of tobacco, firearms, oil, automobile ...

sorry for the rambling. not enough sleep.

AN-net 12-02-2004 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by yinyang
remember, these terrorists lack many things, but they don't lack cash. i don't want to sound contrary to popular belief, but these terrorists have no problem paying money for things they want. and they want the best, and have been known to pay for it.

so if they purchased vbulletin. so what? half the weapons the iraqis used in the first gulf war were purchased from the US Government ... we probably should've asked for them back before we kicked them out of kuwait.

i'm not correlating iraqi's with terrorists, i'm just saying that free enterprise is free enterprise and once something is purchased, you can't hold the manufacturer responsible... unless you're in the industries of tobacco, firearms, oil, automobile ...

sorry for the rambling. not enough sleep.

yeah but you cant buy vbulletin with cash;)

twoseven 12-02-2004 01:35 AM

on a much lighter note did sales of vB go up or down after the story aired? (free publicity )

C_P 12-02-2004 02:28 AM

I am kinda hoping the govt we live in is "smart enough" to review their site's info detail by detail. I am also hoping they have at least one over paid web or IT dufas in our highly in debt govt that we Americans pay high amounts of taxes to entrust them that they will investigate this stuff with the highly overpaid CIA, FBI, and any other acronyms you can think of departments we entrust with knowing how much we spend on a video.
Nice catch by the way, but let's hope that our govt is doing their job.....
Oh forget it, we're screwed.
:rolleyes:

Dean C 12-02-2004 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by twoseven
on a much lighter note did sales of vB go up or down after the story aired? (free publicity )

I doubt it. Not many people are going to be able to look at it and think "Oh, that's vB3 on that terrorists website... let's go and buy it" ;)

Colin F 12-02-2004 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean C
I doubt it. Not many people are going to be able to look at it and think "Oh, that's vB3 on that terrorists website... let's go and buy it" ;)

Additionally, no one here has access to that data, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be published if someone did :)

sabret00the 12-02-2004 10:11 AM

lol @ people just assuming he's got illegal software, get your heads outta your arses, it's innocent till proven guilty, the comments about food, notepads and windows were all quite apt

Tony G 12-02-2004 10:42 AM

Although, sabret00the, it's only normal to associate 'terrorist' with 'illegal' You cannot blame these people for doing so. To think, they'd be breaking the law, and yet they'd go and buy vBulletin. It doesn't add up, now does it?

sabret00the 12-02-2004 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony G
Although, sabret00the, it's only normal to associate 'terrorist' with 'illegal' You cannot blame these people for doing so. To think, they'd be breaking the law, and yet they'd go and buy vBulletin. It doesn't add up, now does it?

sure it does, terrorism is something completely different to lets say Entropy (the film rippers) or Loki (the torrent place for appz) running a board, then you'd be well within your rights to jump to such a conclusion as their well known Cyber Criminal Organisations, thinking that all because their terrorists who go out and (at a stretch) take flying lessons, buy hotel rooms, etc are gonna do something as stupid and meanial as forgetting to buy a license is stupid, it's sheer ignorance.

Colin F 12-02-2004 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabret00the
sure it does, terrorism is something completely different to lets say Entropy (the film rippers) or Loki (the torrent place for appz) running a board, then you'd be well within your rights to jump to such a conclusion as their well known Cyber Criminal Organisations, thinking that all because their terrorists who go out and (at a stretch) take flying lessons, buy hotel rooms, etc are gonna do something as stupid and meanial as forgetting to buy a license is stupid, it's sheer ignorance.

[high] * Colin F has same opinion, with a bit lighter words than stupid and sheer ignorance[/high]

Dean C 12-02-2004 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabret00the
sure it does, terrorism is something completely different to lets say Entropy (the film rippers) or Loki (the torrent place for appz) running a board, then you'd be well within your rights to jump to such a conclusion as their well known Cyber Criminal Organisations, thinking that all because their terrorists who go out and (at a stretch) take flying lessons, buy hotel rooms, etc are gonna do something as stupid and meanial as forgetting to buy a license is stupid, it's sheer ignorance.

Well think of it this way. You are this terrorist on the top 10 wanted men in the world. You're not going to sign up to paypal with your information, then purchase a license. Reasons for this you ask? Mainly because credit card information can be used to track people's location.

filburt1 12-02-2004 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean C
Well think of it this way. You are this terrorist on the top 10 wanted men in the world. You're not going to sign up to paypal with your information, then purchase a license. Reasons for this you ask? Mainly because credit card information can be used to track people's location.

Somehow I think they have helper peons ;)

sabret00the 12-02-2004 04:46 PM

as filburt said, do you think GW Bush registered and made http://www.whitehouse.gov/

Dean C 12-02-2004 04:54 PM

According to the first post the posting was made on some kind of official site of the organization

sabret00the 12-02-2004 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean C
According to the first post the posting was made on some kind of official site of the organization

even more so a reason that
a/ he never registered it himself
b/ why it wouldn't have such an obvious loophole to be shut down as that of not owning a license.

Erwin 12-02-2004 09:35 PM

What's the URL to the site out of curiousity?

sabret00the 12-02-2004 10:39 PM

http://abumasabalzaqawi.terroristson....com/illegalvb ;)

Natch 12-02-2004 10:42 PM

ROFL sabe ;)

Erwin 12-02-2004 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sabret00the

Mmm... they must be offline at the moment... probably installing the Arcade hack... ;)

Boofo 12-03-2004 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Erwin
Mmm... they must be offline at the moment... probably installing the Arcade hack... ;)

Sure, now he'll start running Mini-clip games and get the arcade shut down. Damn!

MPDev 12-03-2004 07:34 PM

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IT dufas in our highly in debt govt that we Americans pay high amounts of taxes to entrust them
As someone who worked for NSA for 6 years defending our country, this remark is offensive. Contrary to the beliefs some of punk kids who have never served their country or know what it means to work in such an environment, the people who serve in this capacity are quite often the best in their field. To equate the quality of government employees to the amount of debt the country has, or the amount of taxes you pay, shows a genuine lack of understanding of how our government operates. Something tells me you don't pay all that much in taxes anyways.

Maybe next time, before you critize those who would help protect you from people like this, you'll think before making such an insensative remark.

Boofo 12-03-2004 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MPDev
As someone who worked for NSA for 6 years defending our country, this remark is offensive. Contrary to the beliefs some of punk kids who have never served their country or know what it means to work in such an environment, the people who serve in this capacity are quite often the best in their field. To equate the quality of government employees to the amount of debt the country has, or the amount of taxes you pay, shows a genuine lack of understanding of how our government operates. Something tells me you don't pay all that much in taxes anyways.

Maybe next time, before you critize those who would help protect you from people like this, you'll think before making such an insensative remark.

Now I wouldn't say that they are OFTEN the best in their field, but some of them are, I will grant you that. Nowadays, being a government employee has about as much meaning and stigma attached to it as working for the post office (which is also a government employee).

I don't pay squat in taxes now (Veteran's Disibility) and I think the government sucks at any type of accounting. And it probably always will, sad to say. ;)

As far as the younger generation not knowing what it's like to serve and protect, I don't know about you, but I had the same cocky attitude about it when I was their age. Their time will come. With age comes wisdom, or so they say (not in my case it seems these days). ;)

Just my 4.25 cents worth (inflation). ;)

MPDev 12-04-2004 01:12 PM

I grew up in conservative New England where I rarely heard people talk disrespectfully of people in the government or the military. Serving your country, in whatever capacity, was considered honorable. To focus on the bad when there is so much good is a sign of a bitter or uneducated person - every profession, every company, every community has their deadbeats, to use those people as a sterotype is unfortunate.

Now, don't even get me started on our spending policies.

<-- Libertarian

yinyang 12-05-2004 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony G
Although, sabret00the, it's only normal to associate 'terrorist' with 'illegal' You cannot blame these people for doing so. To think, they'd be breaking the law, and yet they'd go and buy vBulletin. It doesn't add up, now does it?

technically, you must visit who's "law" are they breaking? to be non-ethnocentric, you have to realize that terrorists aren't breaking their own laws. they may be breaking our laws of human decency, however, they don't subscribe to those laws.

that's why it is so hard to "win" when both sides play by different sets of rules.

patriotcow 12-05-2004 10:28 AM

Sorry to say this but I don't think he paid for the vbulletin licence, He either used stolen credit card or got a copy from a friend or foriced them to give it him!

trackpads 12-05-2004 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_P
I am kinda hoping the govt we live in is "smart enough" to review their site's info detail by detail. I am also hoping they have at least one over paid web or IT dufas in our highly in debt govt that we Americans pay high amounts of taxes to entrust them that they will investigate this stuff with the highly overpaid CIA, FBI, and any other acronyms you can think of departments we entrust with knowing how much we spend on a video.
Nice catch by the way, but let's hope that our govt is doing their job.....
Oh forget it, we're screwed.
:rolleyes:

If government wasnt doing its job then there would be a lot more dead than there are now. Its funny how we decry the 1% of failures but the 99% of successes are considered ho-hum. Thousands of soldiers have died since 9/11 and as a reward the uneducated and often misled masses in this country have been rewarded with no second 9/11 in almost 4 years. Where is the thanks for that?

Not everyone who works in government is Linda "My ass is too big" Tripp nor is everyone who works at IBM a convicted felon. Just do a google search and you will find plenty of malfeasance at any large corporation. The only difference is that goverment, by design, is a public entity that is responsible to the general public, not just taxpayers or shareholders.

Whenever someone mentions 'the government' I just know it is going to be something like "Ban the electoral college" or "Why do we have a defecit". I mean isnt it funny that after 200 years and many trillions spent on public education that most people didnt even know there was an electoral college? Oiye,,,

-Jason

paulyy 12-05-2004 02:53 PM

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Its probably an illegal version
SUE THEM!!

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Yeah i'm sure mr Al-Zarqawi has his phone number and address listed in the whois database
There are different ways of finding out ;)


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