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My members are Quitting my Forums, They say Vbulletin is reason for that ??.
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Thnx n Regards, Sandy... |
Strange... I understand that your board is terribly slow?? If so, please provide with more info about PHP ver. MySQL ver. Linux or Windows... etc.
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what's the url to your board?
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Members in general don't care about what forum software you're running. Macfora - a long time user of vBulletin - switched back to IPB and their community is thriving as ever. There will most likely be a deeper root cause as to why your members are unhappy. Do remember, whilst you can provide your members with hacks and tools to expand the forum software, the real root and reason people stay at a community is because it is a community. That is what you need to work on in the long run by the sounds of things :)
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I agree with Dean, most users don't care what software you use as long as it's easy to use and not full of bugs. If vB is slower that IPB then there is a problem with the server because I have found vB to be much better at handeling load than any of the free boards, especially since 3.0 has come out.
If there is a problem with the way the board is run you might want to visit The Admin Zone for some help in getting it worked out. They have some really good information there. |
Hey all,
I have used quotes, so that only legit users can watch this post. some privacy issues, i have a few users on here, who use pirated copies of vb to use on there forums and are competing against my site. hence, do not want them to see the details. i guess, all the stuff in code tags is not viewable by those users. PHP Code:
and help me retain the users. as we are from india, majority of members, have 56k dialup lines. when we used to be on invision forums where very very fast. The best thing, is vb.org and vb.com both are extremely fast for me and even many other forums using vb i need tweak help from advanced users here. Regards, Sandy... |
Well a good start is if your competitors are using pirated reports then report them @ www.vbulletin.com/piracy.php - that way they'll be bye bye within a few months :)
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I have acully noticed that there are more tables in VB3 then in VB2, this concerns me since there are like 40 on VB2 and now 80 on VB3. would'nt this slow down the software since it is having to connect to more places? I have acully noticed this aswell. I am running Apache2 with PHP 4.3.5+MySQL 4, and it's slow. It's getting out to the internet, it's a 127.0.0.1, host/IP.
But try upgradeing to 4.3.4, there are bug fixes and some optamization fixes in there that might boost the speeds of VB, if you want go to 4.3.5, that's what I am using and have had 0 problems! |
No you make one database connection which holds all of your tables. More tables really doesn't mean slower or faster but maybe more organized and more features.
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The number of tables dose not matter much, speed in a database depends more on how tables are laid out and interacting with each other, and what SQL you are writting in the files to talk to the database.
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The issue of this thread is not about speed, because vB3 is plenty fast. If it is going slow, maybe it's your server. If you're on a shared server, it could be other sites consuming the bandwidth.
If your site is losing members, it's foolish to put the blame on the forum software. The content/theme, design, style, and/or features of your site might be losing attention. Work on those areas. vBulletin is an almost flawless software and has the potential to bring out the best of communities. As an administrator, you need to plan how to attain the great community through your vBulletin. |
Maybe I am not saying it right. I am saying once you have a connection that's 1 connection ok. Then since you have more tables to grab data from you have to use more query's (I can't spell tonight sorry), which slows the speed down since it has to grab more data from different tables.
But like I said try install PHP 4.3.4 or PHP 4.3.5 and see if it increases you speed. What I did in the past on a linux machine was install Zend optamizer. This usually speeds up the script 40%. Atleast with mine it did. If you own a dedicated server head over to zend.com, if not ask your host to install it since it speeds up PHP files. |
tell em u are planning on having a babe section - they will soon come back cause who can resist the temptation of a woman :)
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Perfect point. As you mite have noted from my first 2 posts. what i wrote. Its not VB3 which is cozing problems for sure. it is the tweaking i need to retain exising people. About server config/info i have stated above. What i have @ the moment. Please let me know what else is required. About the Speeds, I have tested my server bandwiths with few of my members, located worldwide. A Download speed of 100 KBPS @ each end was acheived continously, from 15 ends simuletaneously. Tested this speeds, couple of times a week.. Hence, looking for ADVANCED help FROM Sr. Members, who are MUCH into tweaking etc. Thnx Sandy... |
Make sure you are serving css as a file, also strip out anything from the templates you don't need, or offer a stripped version for people on slower connections. I would also upgrade to the latest stable release of apache 2.0. Make sure the query cache is on for mySQL to, o yea and that gzip output is on.
Also go into the admin cp and shut off anything you don't need, things like access masks, or fetures no one ever uses on your board. Every little bit gose a long way. One last thing, after every upgrade check the vB file versions via the admin cp. If you are like me and have to wait awhile on things to upload via ftp you tend to let things go on their own, my ftp client dose not overwrite old files sometimes for whatever reason. I had old .js files when I upgraded to gold, which caused errors and some slow down until I caught it and got the new ones on there. I loaded your boards and honestly they aren't that slow on my 56k. |
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This for YOUR HelpFul reply. I have done foll. changes from ur reply :) 1. Enabled serving of css as a file.. into this dir -> vbulletin_css 2. Enabled GZIP with setting as 1 Few Questions: how to strip off unwanted stuff from HTML ? i meant. its bit difficult for me to guess now. what i unwanted from DEFAULT installation with arcade hack.. Stable released of APACHE.. i would ask my HOSTING provider for that. How to check if query cache is enabled on MYSQL. I have disabled, users viewing this thread, etc. etc. access masks are turned off. no specific feature i am using @ the moment. i have switched form invision to vb gold.. 3.0 hence, i guess. i wont have much trouble with any RELEASES which came after gold. Please let me know if something more can be done. I have also enabled, POST Cache features, with an option of 2 days set there. Best Regards, Sandy... |
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some more help is appreciated. forums gained lot of improvements :) what is sql cache ? as my question above thnx. Sandy... |
Hi Sandy,
after having looked through your server config i can not see any misconfiguration so far. I also went to your page. Your start page is HUUUUGE but it loads very fast. But when i go to your forum page there are 2 small stops during the load of the page. I would like to know why this is happening. Could be due to too much queries or wrong code. I would suggest that you install this hack from Teck https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...ght=microstats which will give you more information about the PHP and the MySQL load on your site. In addition to this you will see which template is not cached and you can solve this afterwards. So please install this hack and then we talk again. I think the others should agree to this rather then digging in the dark we should start to find the cause for this. Perhaps it is only one bad hack which you installed. Cheers, |
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<!-- open content container --> Often times you will find speed can be improved with better html, it may be worth having a quick look over your templates and seeing if they vaildate (vaildation isent everything, but imo a good steaping stone). One thing I am doing is turning off the dhtml/js pop-ups, which speeds the board up on my line a lot, mind you I am on a 14k line (aka crap 56k). Also you have that pop-up that comes up for un-regged users, this lags mozilla and IE for me, it gives the apperance that your forumhome loads very slow, and it is also anoying. |
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thnx a lot for your replies as recommended by you. i installed that hack and here is the screenshot for same. it says 2 uncached templates on going to my forums I am not sure, what templates are those :S Please let me know. Regards, Sandy... |
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i am glad that you installed the hack. When i look at your page then it seems for me that your board is running fine. You have high PHP and low MySQL usage. This shows that it has nothing to do with any queries. The 2 templates which are not cached should not be a big problem. But the fix for this is very easy: Open the PHP file in an editor and look for the templates variable in there. Usually the global templates variable. After the last template just add your 2 missing templates by adding -> , <- this comma and in the next line the template name. This will not be a big performance boost but it will cache the template. By the way: Will all respect, but i have response times from 0,2 seconds and your site is fast enough. Where is the problem ? On any specific subdirectory or php file ? Because at the moment i would say it is fine. Question: Did you add your microstat variable also into your portal ? It would be nice to see how many queries are run there. The only conclusion would be: Your server has a problem as soon as multiple users access your page simultaneously. If this is the case then it could be your MySQL database daemon. Which version of MySQL are you using ? Cheers, |
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i opened index.php and global.php both and edited stuff as you directed me to. here is 1 of the changes i have done in index.php file Original Code Code:
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Microstats on Portal. I am not sure, how to add those there. But if you want/help we can try out that ;) I am using Virtuanews -> www.virtuanews.co.uk Server Type Linux; PHP v4.3.3; Apache v1.3.29 MySQL v4.0.18-standard PHP Max Post Size 55M MySQL Maximum Packet Size 16.00 MB PHP Memory Limit None Database Index Disk Usage 9.77 MB Sandy... |
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i have added a comma to second last line. |
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now it shows 1 uncached template :)
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this sounds strange. We added both templates into the php file. But it still shows the forumhome_todayloggeninuser template as not cached. Either you typed something wrong or you are not on the index.php file. As soon as you add all templates into the global templates array, all templates should be cached. Please double check again. Cheers, |
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with your help all the problem is fixed now :) Thnx for modifying my templates Its appreicated, we have users like u on vb.org best regards, Sandy... |
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