What do you think about a german hackbase?
 

Hello everyone,

the german vB users are interested in a german hackbase. There a team would translate your hacks into the german language. We'll only translate your hacks and post our own. It would be fine if you allow this.The users how cannot speak English would be happy. We'll not edit your hacks or something like that. Your rights will be reserved.

We would be happy, if we have your OK

You'd have to ask each individual person who's hack you want to translate. :S

Also unless you had official permission on behalf of vbulletin-germany that the translated phrases would only be posted on vbulletin-germany.com - you wouldn't have my permission :)

What's the problem?
They only want to translate the english hacks - not more.
They don't want any credits.

Agree to dookie!

We won't like to have ANY credits. We only want to translate your hacks. We won't edit any Code!

Please agree to the hackbase! We only want to make the life easier for the german speaking people and not more!

I would support such a community, come on - don't get infopop'ish ;)

Thanks for your support Thomas P

vbulletin-fr.com does that. They asked me for my hacks. It's a little work, but I vote for this option - of course also because I am german ;)

So you want to take our phrase files and edit only those?

@ Mist

Thats what my team and I will do, if the users of vB.org support us.

We will only translate your hacks, not more!

Sky

Somewhat off-topic, but It would be even better if there was a way for other sites (sites not run by / via Jelsoft) to sign a contract or so for access to a database for Licensed User Verication. (LUV, hahaha)

Paired with making good use of vB3's language system, that could be a great solution to the Hacks problem that currently exists due to nations that don't speak much English (if any at all), but have lots of vBulletin sites nonetheless (france, germany, the entire middle-east).

I don't know if I understand your post correctly, so sorry if this answer is a little bit wrong. I think that the german site have to run with the license system just in case that only the Licensed User can access the DL area.
I haven't speak with Jelsoft or vBulletin - Germany yet, but I think there could be a solution.

Kurafire is right.

Without the licensesystem you won't get much agreements, as noone want to write his hacks downloadable for unlicensed users...

why not just release the translated phrases for the hacks as add-ons on this site (once permission has been granted)? seems to me to be a better idea if everything was available centrally, and the translation packs could be attached to the first posts with the actual hack files.

some kind of flag hack could even be worked up to denote what languages the hacks were available for to display in the thread-listings of the hack forums etc and no one need worry about the files ending up in the wrong hands as only licenced members can download from here.

recently i have read about the french community and now the german community requesting to post translated hacks on their respective sites - why not release everything here, then link to the hack threads from vb-fr and vb-de?

*** on another note, and quite off-topic, i notice that “SkyShadow‘s” post count is showing zero for me, even after i read 3 of his posts in this thread. see attached file.

This forum probably does not count up towards postcounts then, it seems. :)


As for the language-packs released on here - that's all fine, and will work somewhat of course, but we don't want french and/or german Hack DISCUSSIONS here, now do we? We want to keep this site English, so as far as I'm concerned, the french and german vB-sites that provide hacks should only (no more!) have hack language packs attached in their posts, and nothing else.

You mean in multiple languages? So like one person would post several copies of their same hack but in different languages? Or do you mean all languages in their one thread? Either way, it would be difficult because not everyone here speaks certain languages, like German :)

Anyways, this sounds interesting, if this gets going then I would probably give permission for them to translate my hacks, but I'd still need to be contacted first so I can give explicit permission after I've read the fine print and all :D

I think this system (language pack for hacks) is difficult to introduce. You probably know that each language has it own structure. I am not sure the coder will think somebody could translate his hack when creating himself the phrases.

Currently, there is no good system to check vbulletin licences. We have asked many times if we could have a control system like the one for vbulletin.org.

Possible solutions :
- post translations here : but the admins want an english forum. No way to french support. We don't want to compel users who don't speak english to go here. A lot of french people have problems to buy vbulletin. Imagine if the had to visit vb.org and register here ;)
- request vbulletin customerid : it's like asking somebody for his credit number card. I can't take this responsibility
- create an official french support forum : the Jelsoft staff is not ready for that
- ask individual permissions : it's what we do now. Some hackers accept. Others deny.
We also develop hacks and try to support the french customers but it's not easy to be unofficial.

At the moment, we are pleased to have collected more than 100 permissions to translate hacks. Most of hackers accept to be translated in french.

Anyways, it should be easier now to translate hacks to different languages with the new phrases and languages system in vB 3 :)

As long as people make their hacks using the phrases system in the first place :)

well, this goes back to the quality assurance team that was mentioned in another thread i think. i know that not all hack writers will be doing this, but at least a few will be, so it's a start :)

and i didn't mean to bring the non-english discussions here, just the hack language packs to be kept with the hack itself, which will negate the need of extra licence checking. ok, so they will still need to register here to be able to download, but i'm sure that this will be acceptable to the users once they see the range and amount of quality hacks here.

You can't simply imagine how many mails I received from people who needed help to buy a licence and to download vbulletin. We've made a faq about this in order to help non english-speaking people. It's not a minority of the french community. So I think it would be difficult to compel our members to have an account on vbulletin.org forum.
Of course, if vbulletin.org could install our french language package, it would be more simple for french people to register here and I would be open to post our translations exclusively in vbulletin.org. I think this forum should have a simple system to choose, for each hack, which language a user desires (if available of course).

vB.org should offer German and French languages once they're completed, and Hacks should contain any additional language XML files if there are any.

That would be great, but I don't think it'll happen that often. For starters, so far only the Hack Tracking Log makes use of XML files with phrases, which makes this whole process easier. And since the HTL is not even finished yet, nobody else can use it at the moment... :(

When we would get the licensesystem, would you agree to a translation into german language?

i would already agree to translations of my hacks to German, on ONE condition:

no matter what (license system there or not), the only thing that you may place on the site for download are the XML files with the german phrases for each hack, as opposed to english phrases. NO hack files other than those.

That's all :)

Why do you make this condition?

I do not know, why you and the other users are "against" the german hackportal? We only want to translate the hack, so where is the problem?
Why couldn't we store the hack there? We support the hacks, so why don't you allow that?

I do not believe your opinion!

I'm sorry

just edited

i belive its because we cant verify the users who would download the hacks are lisceded

Faranth, I'm not sure, if I understand your post correctly, but when we are online, we will talk with the vBulletin Germany team. Iam in contact with the staff. They will support us, if we are online!
So I hope that we will have access to the licencesystem.

the only way a site becomes able to use the licensesystem is by becomming a full sister, site and sofar i only know of 4 that use it
vbulletin.com
vbulletin.org
vbulletin-germany.com
vbulletintemplates.com

germany should've been vbulletin.com.de or just vbulletin.de

anyway i don't see why you'd need to translate the hacks to be honest, you'd only really need the phrases that should be enough :)

Faranth

Is it unpossible that we could become the 5th sister website?

@ sabret00the

We want to be a fully (!) Hack Resource for the german speaking people, so we would like to host the hacks? Where is the problem?

We do not want to steal your rights! We want to be a partner or sth. like that for vB.org

its just there are alot of them around ATM and none of them are another sistersite

Faranth, I talked with Scott from vBulletin-Germany staff. He said, that he would help me to become "official" when the site is on, so what is your problem, when I get the system?
I can not start, if you disagree to the hackbase. The team and I would like to support your hacks in the german community! Not more, not less! We want to store the files, because its a little bit more comfortable for the german users, if they could download the full files! Thats all!

I don't think that many users will object to you translating their hacks, they just feel uneasy that possible unlicenced users may get ahold of them.

Quite difficult to be official. Some websites asked to be official (in order to have the licence verification system) and it's not one of Jelsoft priorities.

Steve summed it up perfectly there.

You don't believe my opinion ? Interesting... but you'll have to live with it anyway.

I don't want my hackfiles to be found anywhere outside of vb.org. The only exception to that is for XML files with phrases for a different language. Those can be freely distributed all over the Internet as far as I care. But not my hack files. For 2 reasons:
1) I don't want non-licensed people having access to them;
2) if I upgrade the Hack, it's generally important and I don't want to rely on other people having to upgrade my hack on a different forum for me. I can't upgrade hack releases of my hacks when I didn't make them (ie. on a german board or so), and thus I don't want the files to appear there.

I agree with you whole heartedly unfortunately vbulletin.de was already taken when we opened our site. We are working on getting the domain though.

Scott

Just to clarify our stance towards a German Hacks Site. We will only support a site "officially" when the site is running, is professional and has some (must not be a lot) interest being shown within the vB-G community. I have told this to all the people who have asked me if they can start a hacks site. I have always taken a neutral stance towards their efforts.

I believe KuraFires idea of a central hacks database here at vB.org with open langauge files is a really good one. I hope all vB Hackers make use of the language system so that this can be done. That will save everyone a lot of time in the end, especially the hack users.

As for vB2 Hacks. Of course these hacks aren't langauge independant and must be translated directly within the code. This means the code must be released to the translater. My only suggestion is, say what I did,"Show me your intentions are genuine, show me your site and if it looks presentable, you have my blessing." Again, if the site is running, looks professional and there is interest, getting it "official" in order to protect your code from non-vB customers is not a problem.

I hope this clarifies our position on the subject.(especially for those who have shown interest in starting a site):)

Scott