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SmEdD 01-05-2004 12:30 AM

When releaseing vB3 hacks
 
Stop useing ++++ty untested code.

vB3 code is nice and clean and thats how you should do hack. RC has been out for a few days and theres a ton of FULL RELEASES then you read the threads and people point out 100 bugs.

Don't rush to be the first one to release hacks.

Like I have my Clan Tools hack that I have been working on for months now as some may know and it's being tested on 5 boards right now, I was gonna release it but why go through the trouble of putting a crappy code out.

Please test you code and clean it up.

Also since everyone is re-releaseing the "popular hacks" give the orignal author credit.

And thats my 2 cents on you people who do what I just said.

filburt1 01-05-2004 01:02 AM

I still say don't hack at all because you're just destroying a stable product, but that didn't deter people from it during the beta and gamma stages.

MGM 01-05-2004 01:15 AM

a stable product is good, but a less-stable product with hundreds of new features that attract members is better :p

but I agree, I downloaded a bunch of the hacks for vB3 so that I am able to use them later on, only to hear a little on that there's this error here and that bug there.... either test out your hack completely or release it in the BETA forum for testing

but im not arguing, more hacks = sweeter features.... as long as the hack doesnt destroy my board :p

MGM out

Dark Shogun 01-05-2004 01:18 AM

Personally I don't install hacks for any bbs without waiting like a week to see if the hack is stable or not.

Dark Shogun

SmEdD 01-05-2004 02:33 AM

I'm waitin for Gold as they say it will take less time then Gamma to RC if no big problems arise.

Velocd 01-05-2004 03:41 AM

Man, have I been absent lately.

vBulletin 3 RC (and RC2?) released? Tons of vB3 hacks?

Looks like I need to get on the road. :^|

Ryan Ashbrook 01-05-2004 08:59 PM

IMO, another RC means just one step closer to Final.

I put more trust into the vBulletin developers whenever they released another Beta, the Gamma, or another RC.

It means they're doing their job in releasing a close to bug-less system. :)

Some people fail to realize that though...

TheAnt 01-05-2004 09:16 PM

vB3 has ONE unconfirmed bug left. We might be lookin at final pretty damn soon.

MaDCaT75 01-05-2004 10:01 PM

I say all hacks should be submitted for moderation by xenon himself before they get released.

Ryan Ashbrook 01-05-2004 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAnt
vB3 has ONE unconfirmed bug left. We might be lookin at final pretty damn soon.

Have you got an estimate of when it's out?

I say possibly 1-2 weeks after that bug is fixed. :)

Quote:

I say all hacks should be submitted for moderation by xenon himself before they get released.
Nah, too much work on Xenon I think. =/

NTLDR 01-05-2004 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDCaT75
I say all hacks should be submitted for moderation by xenon himself before they get released.

This is the reason why vB.org has more than one member of staff. You can't expect Xenon or any other one person to check every single hack thats released here.

Bahawolf2 01-05-2004 10:20 PM

A safety precaution of installing hacks, is to always make a complete backup, and of course for members who choose to, install it on a test forum. I agree though, that some of the hacks being released do need some more testing before the release, but obviously some people don't feel the same way.

Zachery 01-06-2004 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmEdD
Stop useing ++++ty untested code.

vB3 code is nice and clean and thats how you should do hack. RC has been out for a few days and theres a ton of FULL RELEASES then you read the threads and people point out 100 bugs.

Don't rush to be the first one to release hacks.

Like I have my Clan Tools hack that I have been working on for months now as some may know and it's being tested on 5 boards right now, I was gonna release it but why go through the trouble of putting a crappy code out.

Please test you code and clean it up.

Also since everyone is re-releaseing the "popular hacks" give the orignal author credit.

And thats my 2 cents on you people who do what I just said.

you know not all hackers just blob together code to make things work,

i perosonally run hacks on my own site / test site / and let a few others test it first before letting it out to the public. my coding for what ive currently released is rather solid i belive and you should look into some of the hacks coding before you go around calling all ++++ty untested code :)
i learnd howto hack on vB3 there for most of my coding should represent vB3's coding standards, well to the best of my abilties anyway

Erwin 01-06-2004 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faranth
you know not all hackers just blob together code to make things work,

i perosonally run hacks on my own site / test site / and let a few others test it first before letting it out to the public. my coding for what ive currently released is rather solid i belive and you should look into some of the hacks coding before you go around calling all ++++ty untested code :)
i learnd howto hack on vB3 there for most of my coding should represent vB3's coding standards, well to the best of my abilties anyway

Same here. :) I also now only release hacks that have been running on my site for at least 6 months.

Don't expect me to spend hours tidying up code for other people - as long as the code is secure, optimized and works, I'll release it. Feel free to modify it for your own site. :)

One reason why I've had to change some of my first releases is because some code still had bits from my site in it. :) But those are easily changed.

MaDCaT75 01-06-2004 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTLDR
This is the reason why vB.org has more than one member of staff. You can't expect Xenon or any other one person to check every single hack thats released here.

Yes but it would ensure the quality of hacks.... I hate installing a hack and guessing if it will work right or not on my board.

Dark Shogun 01-06-2004 01:23 AM

I don't see him say ALL vB3 hacks have messed up code.

Dark Shogun

Zachery 01-06-2004 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDCaT75
Yes but it would ensure the quality of hacks.... I hate installing a hack and guessing if it will work right or not on my board.

well you should always have a dev board anyway ;D to test and make sure

its your own fault if you dont check the code first

Brad 01-06-2004 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDCaT75
Yes but it would ensure the quality of hacks.... I hate installing a hack and guessing if it will work right or not on my board.

Then setup a test board ;)

SmEdD 01-06-2004 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Shogun
I don't see him say ALL vB3 hacks have messed up code.

Dark Shogun

TY for clairifing that.

Velocd 01-06-2004 05:26 AM

Quote:

Yes but it would ensure the quality of hacks.... I hate installing a hack and guessing if it will work right or not on my board.
Xenon is suited for the job of verifying hacks on this forum, but he's not the only one as there are others who can properly code.

Besides, there is a QA system still being implemented... right? :rolleyes:

Mr. HillBilly 01-06-2004 05:54 AM

*cough* https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=58192 *Cough*

KuraFire 01-06-2004 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocd
Besides, there is a QA system still being implemented... right? :rolleyes:

Not really. vB.org is going to have something different, in the end..

Erwin 01-06-2004 08:06 AM

The Quality Assurance System will be implemented. The details are being discussed. We're trying to find a balance between regulating hack releases vs. overcontrolling hack authors.

KuraFire 01-06-2004 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erwin
The Quality Assurance System will be implemented. The details are being discussed. We're trying to find a balance between regulating hack releases vs. overcontrolling hack authors.

except it can't be called Quality Assurance anymore :p

Dean C 01-06-2004 10:10 AM

Madcatt - somehow I don't think Stefan has the time to go through and moderate every hack. This is where the QA system will come in sometime soon.

NTLDR 01-06-2004 06:06 PM

Even if Xenon did have time to check each hack, it still doesn't ensure quality. Having only one person look at it (and when its one person that looks at all of them) IMO isn't likly to ensure quality at all. Everyone makes mistakes and if one person is resonsible for checking each and every vB3 hack then I feel alot of mistakes would be made, no matter who did it.

Why do you think vB3 had a public beta? Do you think they would have found and fixed all the bugs the have if it was just the vB devs checking it? I don't.

Erwin 01-06-2004 08:00 PM

Remember, different people have different definitions of what is "quality". For some, how the code looks is important. To others, how the code look does not matter at all, as long as it is secure, and optimized. It's all a matter of different people having different tastes.


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