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Dominick 12-29-2003 07:13 PM

is vbulletin.org and .com going down alot for anyone else?
 
or am I the only one?

CVMagic 12-30-2003 01:25 AM

same here, its bothering me because im usually in the middle of a post when it goes down so my reply never makes it through

kneesparx 12-30-2003 02:01 AM

ive been having problems with all three sites


http://www.vbulletin.com/

http://www.vbulletintemplates.com/

http://www.vbulletin.org/

same server im assuming, server problems suck! hope its not too bad for them...

MaDCaT75 12-30-2003 02:01 AM

alot of Ddos attacks I believe

Dean C 12-30-2003 11:17 AM

Been having it all this morning :)

filburt1 12-30-2003 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kneesparx
ive been having problems with all three sites


http://www.vbulletin.com/

http://www.vbulletintemplates.com/

http://www.vbulletin.org/

same server im assuming, server problems suck! hope its not too bad for them...

Yes, those three sites are all on the same server.

Somebody in China has initiated a DDoS attack that targets Apache rather than a typical SYN attack. Apparently they wet their diapers when Jelsoft refused their "demands."

tenchiws 12-30-2003 01:27 PM

I've been having it ever since I rediscovered my license existed and decided to make it to good use...

Reverend 12-30-2003 02:25 PM

Kier has posted this announcement over @ vbulletin.com

dethfire 12-30-2003 03:10 PM

stupid chinamen, pissing me off

MindTrix 12-30-2003 03:48 PM

Been like it for months as well all know, but it did die down for some time, seems to of come back a bit worse these past weeks.

tenchiws 12-30-2003 03:50 PM

Surely someone can track it down and take legal action can't they?

MindTrix 12-30-2003 03:56 PM

Wont get into the details, but basically they cant pin point the exact place etc, but you can be assured this is doing alot of damage to vBulletin and im sure the guys will do all they can to get it stopped.

CVMagic 12-30-2003 04:50 PM

I say they should setup some sorta of bounty system, so we could have bounty hunters all over those script kiddies behinds...

MindTrix 12-30-2003 04:52 PM

Imagine what all the coders here at vb.org could come up with if they teamed with vb.com staff!! World domination, that should show them :)

But anyway, no violent talk is allowed here aparantly :( :)

Logician 12-31-2003 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CVMagic
I say they should setup some sorta of bounty system, so we could have bounty hunters all over those script kiddies behinds...

I don't know the exact details but considering the effect of the attack, I would not say it is a script kiddie. I think he is a competent and real hacker.

My concern is that this is getting a frequent "business" nowadays. There are some people around who browses internet, find a company that does business over internet and if they think this company has a good income, they threaten to attack their site unless they are paid. And they really attack too. I see this in many sites and I'm sure there are other sites who paid so we dont see the attack on them, so the attacts should be just the tip of the iceberg. This is just scary.. :rolleyes:

ajk 12-31-2003 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logician
I don't know the exact details but considering the effect of the attack, I would not say it is a script kiddie. I think he is a competent and real hacker.

My concern is that this is getting a frequent "business" nowadays. There are some people around who browses internet, find a company that does business over internet and if they think this company has a good income, they threaten to attack their site unless they are paid. And they really attack too. I see this in many sites and I'm sure there are other sites who paid so we dont see the attack on them, so the attacts should be just the tip of the iceberg. This is just scary.. :rolleyes:

If it's possible to offer a LIVE mirror site, I'd be willing to barter with Jelsoft for space.

I hate seeing it when another board goes down. Especially a support board!

MindTrix 12-31-2003 03:42 PM

I personally cant see them allowing any mirror sites or anything, as its a buisness and all.

Hope things work themselves out in the end though :)

Its probably Bin Laden doing it or somet like that **shruggs**

Gardener 12-31-2003 08:06 PM

I understand having to ban IP address because of this, and I know that users that have dynamic IP addresses can really have a problem, but how many times should we have to submit the exact same IP address to VB? Is it not possible for them to keep a record of customers and their IP addresses and not ban these address? I've had the same IP for nearly a year and every time the DOS attacks start up again I have to email VB to ask them to unblock my IP.

Wayne Luke 12-31-2003 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardener
I understand having to ban IP address because of this, and I know that users that have dynamic IP addresses can really have a problem, but how many times should we have to submit the exact same IP address to VB? Is it not possible for them to keep a record of customers and their IP addresses and not ban these address? I've had the same IP for nearly a year and every time the DOS attacks start up again I have to email VB to ask them to unblock my IP.

We aren't banning just IP address, in order to circumvent these attacks we have to ban entire regions and countries. For instance there are a lot of Zombie computers in Germany used in the attack. We could spend hours tracking down each individual IP out of the hundreds of thousands in the log or we can ban Germany and allow individual IP addresses later.

The easiest way to solve these issues is to get everyone you know to patch their Windows computers, install a firewall and virus checker and not participate in the attacks themselves.

Silver_2000_)! 12-31-2003 11:12 PM

Im confused - I havent been able to get to VBulletin.com for a while now. Every couple days I get lucky and it seems to come up..

Is it being attacked and I jast cant get through ?
Or have they banned all of comcast ip's ?

I guess the question is - As a paying customer is there something I need to do to be able to see the site ??

Thanks Doug

Wayne Luke 12-31-2003 11:52 PM

Probably a combination of both. We have a solution for you if you are a customer and have a static IP, send an email to our support email with your IP and customer number asking for access.

gforce75 01-01-2004 12:13 AM

How nice of you :) What is the email?

gforce75 01-01-2004 12:13 AM

Why don't u guys at least make some kind of rerouted page if ip's get blocked?

Erwin 01-01-2004 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
We aren't banning just IP address, in order to circumvent these attacks we have to ban entire regions and countries. For instance there are a lot of Zombie computers in Germany used in the attack. We could spend hours tracking down each individual IP out of the hundreds of thousands in the log or we can ban Germany and allow individual IP addresses later.

The easiest way to solve these issues is to get everyone you know to patch their Windows computers, install a firewall and virus checker and not participate in the attacks themselves.

Exactly. And if you have a dedicated server, do keep it secure. A lot of hackers put trojans on unsecured dedicated servers to use them as zombies for DDOS attacks.

eoc_Jason 01-01-2004 12:43 AM

Man, someone needs to cut china off from the internet... who let them on anyhow?

So how could we send them our customer # if we don't know what it is? Oh yeah, I could look it up on vB.com... ummm.... *sigh*

Steve Machol 01-01-2004 12:48 AM

If you send an email to support@vbulletin.com from the email address on your license, then we will know you're a licensed customer.

Silver_2000_)! 01-01-2004 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
We aren't banning just IP address, in order to circumvent these attacks we have to ban entire regions and countries. For instance there are a lot of Zombie computers in Germany used in the attack. We could spend hours tracking down each individual IP out of the hundreds of thousands in the log or we can ban Germany and allow individual IP addresses later.

The easiest way to solve these issues is to get everyone you know to patch their Windows computers, install a firewall and virus checker and not participate in the attacks themselves.

[rant] [sarcasm]So if I single handedly patch all the windows machines on the Internet, of all the people I know, can I then get access back to the support site for the software I paid for ? [/rant]

Oh wait - Thats exactly the kind of thing I do in my consulting business - Just think how many million customers more to patch/fix before I have done my part to solve VB's problems ? If I can get them all to pay the 2 hour minimum I'll be able to hire someone to +++++ at VB and fix the forum issues...[/sarcasm]

Seriously - I know you guys are frustrated but come on....

Doug

Silver_2000_)! 01-01-2004 03:38 AM

After my rant I have to be fair
2 Thumbs up to Steve M for responding withing 5 min or less to the support email ....

Maybe we should have 2 levels of the internet - The AOL level for the newbies and the hackers and a security clearanced "adult table " level for folks who know what they are doing ( or at least try ) - Then some way to ban the hackers to the AOL level "kids table "...

I know it would never work cause the troublemakers would only get their jollies off playing at the "adult table"
Oh well ... Time for a beer and a shot of corazon to celebrate the pending new year
Doug

Wayne Luke 01-01-2004 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gforce75
Why don't u guys at least make some kind of rerouted page if ip's get blocked?

If an IP is blocked it isn't even seeing the server, it is being deflected by a router upstream on a larger pipe into the ether. No server, no way to display a re-routed page.

If we rerouted the traffic from the machines doing the DDOS attack to another server to show you this page, then you wouldn't see it anyway since that pipe would be overwhelmed and the server wouldn't exist as far as your computer was concerned.

ajk 01-01-2004 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
Probably a combination of both. We have a solution for you if you are a customer and have a static IP, send an email to our support email with your IP and customer number asking for access.

Hi Luke and Happy New Year!

I can't get on AT ALL. First, it takes forever for the version number at my host to load. Sometimes it times out with errors.

Then I have a DynamicIP through Cablevision and Optimum Online.
When I try to access vB.com, it ALWAYS crashes my browser.

I guess I need to send in a support ticket.

This just doesn't seem fair that those of us that are sponsored or pay directly CAN'T get on line!

MindTrix 01-01-2004 10:56 AM

True but it has too be done, as annoying as it may be. The vb staff are doing all they can on this matter, we just have too be patient

aliencode 01-02-2004 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
Probably a combination of both. We have a solution for you if you are a customer and have a static IP, send an email to our support email with your IP and customer number asking for access.

And what about those of us with dynamic IPs?

Brad 01-02-2004 04:30 AM

Use a proxy server at this time.

ajk 01-02-2004 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aliencode
And what about those of us with dynamic IPs?

Then we will never get on.

My cable company doesn't change the IP so much, but it DOES change.

Andy 01-02-2004 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad.loo
Use a proxy server at this time.

Brad,

Would you elaborate a little on this. I'm using Windows XP.

Also what is the best way to determine what the dynamic IP address I'm currently on. How often does it change? I'm using a Linksys wireless router. Thanks.

ajk 01-02-2004 06:06 AM

Hi Andy,

If I may, go to your DOS screen. Then type in IPCONFIG.
You'll see something like this:

Windows IP Configuration

Connection-specific DNS configuration...........:YOUR ISP.whatever
IP Address........................................... ..........:10.10.10.25 (or your IP range)
Subnetmask........................................ ..........: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway........................................... : 10.10.10.1

If your run say behind a Linksys router like I do, goto your admin screen.
Next click on status and it will show your IP to the internet.

Hope that helps!

Andy 01-02-2004 04:12 PM

That did help. :)

I wonder how often the IP address changes? I thought it being dynamic it changes everytime I unplug the router.

ajk 01-02-2004 04:15 PM

Not necessarily, I think it is more on a timed thing than anything.

I'm glad it helped, feel free to E-Mail or PM if you have more questions.

Happy New Year!


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