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vb3 is bloat
Seriously, vBulletin 3.0 looks like it's going to be a bloat. Why the ridiculous hierarchy system of replies? Does anyone really click a specific person's post to reply to or do they just hit reply whenever? And most likely it'll be quick reply.
I honestly hope not too many features are added. Opinions? |
It's hierarchal because internally, the system is purely multithreaded, unlike the current thread-post system. There is an option to switch to an emulated linear view.
BTW, not to sound offensive, but nobody's forcing you to upgrade. You can stay with vB2 for as long as you want; FlashKit went years before switching their vB1 installation. |
I know that view is available.
This "similar threads" thing looks like it's going to bog down the server with queries, and I see various other features. I know no one's forcing me to upgrade, but the inherent meaning of upgrade is to make the forum better. As long as speed and server load isn't sacrificed, though, I don't see any problems. I also wonder if the complexities given to the new vB 3 system will make it harder to hack? The current engine is amazingly easy to use and customize. I've never seen the likes of such flexibility in my life. |
Remember you can turn off stuff as well. vB.com has most of the options on to show off the product features, at least until an updated admin CP demo becomes available.
Although I do agree with you somewhat: forums have become far too complex for a new computer user to come close to understanding. If they were dead simple, at least in the user interface aspect, problem solved. |
Coding is too complex for a computer user to come close to understanding. Simple errors such as "cannot include file" with the error file being "hackname.php.php" has to be posted in a hack's thread as opposed to realising to just modify the code to not mess up the filename.
It's not that the forum UI is complex, it's that there needs to be a little guide to the modular sense in which vBulletin has been set up, so that coders can customize with ease. Inherently, though, a message board is simple. Posts are a series of IDs, and some posts register as parent threads from which replies hang. Hacks like quick reply are just a matter of adding a form to send default parameters on showthread.php versus going to a specific page. Things really shouldn't be that hard. Turning stuff off is good.. *drool* :P |
I haven't a clue why you're arguing. :^/
Hacks like the quick reply were created because of our laziness. It's hardly complex to use. The similar threads isn't complex to use. |
I'm just saying that I fear vB 3.0 will become bloat, slow, and server intensive :P
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erm I may be a bit dumb in saying this.. but wont Scott and the rest of Jelsoft make sure thats its not before releasing it?
I mean they ran vb3 for a year before giving it out to testers who then ran it several months (on some huge communitys) finally they gave us the public beta :p Ive been using vb3 since the first beta to the public was given out.. and although im not running a huge community a lot of my members prefer vb3 and use its features to advantage :p |
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And I can know, I've done some serious vB3-hacking already ^_^ Hacking vB3 is so nice that I have refused to do any vB2 hacking ever since I started hacking vB3. Quote:
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i thought i commented on this >.> ie musta crashed |
does that mean it'd be hard for a n00b hacker to hack then?
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its fair enought 4 us to realise it all because we are on here but what about our users wont they find vb3 a bit mind boggling and hard to use... wont it put them off as its so complex ?
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A lot of the improvements in vB3 are code and admin related. The user interface, on top of that, is being completely redone with the new Style that we'll see with the approaching Gamma release, and according to Kier and Scott the new Style is innovative and organizes all the new features and aspects very nicely so that it doesn't become overwhelming or intimidating to people new to forums. Of course, we shouldn't just take their word for it, but with the way they're being all excited as hell about it, I reckon we can at least give them the benefit of the doubt, for now ;) |
that's precisely why i was waiting for the new style before developing the style for my forums, should be good to see it tho :)
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i meant how is it harder to hack in big features like what problems do you encounter at first, how many extra files do you have to edit in comparison what makes it harder.
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larger hacks for vB3 take far more planning and consideration, compared to vB2. At first, it'll be a major headache to keep track of up to 5x as much data and files, but after a while, when you get experience with the new system, you'll find that you can do a lot more with less :) (more functionality with less file edits and the like). |
hmm, i'm gonna have to look at a hack so i can see where someone else have done it before me and learn that way, sounds good tho :)
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Once vB3 hacking is allowed here, you can go take a look at my Hack Tracking Log, for example. It's a fairly big hack, about 3500 lines of code (so far, not yet 100% done), 250 new phrases (I tried to be as efficient and reusable as possible ^_^), half a dozen new files, but only like.. 3 file modifications :) (and those three modifications prevent Countless new file modifications in the future, so they're REALLY very much worth their salt :D)
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sounds good, hopefully this way i'll pick it all up and be able to find my way around hacking :)
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Well, with the HTL and the Quality Assurance system both providing a lot of hacking guidelines, it should only be a matter of reading them and then trying them all out, by then. :)
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