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traekwon 10-26-2002 11:28 PM

Will you upgrade to VB3.0 when it's released?
 
Will you guys update to the newest version of VBulletin when it's eventually released? I personally don't think I will. I've seen VB3 and I like how VB2 is set-up better. I also don't feel like re-installing all the file edits I've made.

How about you?

filburt1 10-27-2002 12:16 AM

I will. After all with conditional templates and vB3's massive feature list most hacks for vB2 will be pointless in vB3.

DrkFusion 10-27-2002 12:19 AM

Yes...also how many times has this been asked? lol

Erwin 10-27-2002 02:07 AM

Yes. Because it is a huge improvement to vB2 in terms of speed, functionality and efficiency from the way it is coded.

Xenon 10-27-2002 08:44 AM

yes, i like new areas to hack in :)

freeshares1 10-27-2002 08:52 AM

probably but not straight away

Chris M 10-27-2002 01:11 PM

Not straight away:)

Satan

Dean C 10-27-2002 03:39 PM

After a few months..

- miSt

TECK 10-30-2002 05:27 AM

no

TECK 10-30-2002 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Erwin
Yes. Because it is a huge improvement to vB2 in terms of speed, functionality and efficiency from the way it is coded.
are you sure on this erwin? on what do you base your afirmations? did you tested the code on your site?
let me know please.

from what it looks to me so far, vb3 is a sort of vb2 bloated version.
ok, maybe the global files are cleaner and loading faster. that doesnt mean we cant bring the same technique onto vb2.xx version. :)

Lesane 10-30-2002 08:43 AM

Nope

Brad 10-30-2002 09:54 AM

No.

assassingod 10-30-2002 03:22 PM

No

N9ne 10-30-2002 03:27 PM

Not until it has been out for 6 months and there are at least 200 hacks for it.

Brad 10-31-2002 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TECK
are you sure on this erwin? on what do you base your afirmations? did you tested the code on your site?
let me know please.

from what it looks to me so far, vb3 is a sort of vb2 bloated version.
ok, maybe the global files are cleaner and loading faster. that doesnt mean we cant bring the same technique onto vb2.xx version. :)


I agree, im not upgrading because v2 dose mostly anything i want. With a little hacking I could make it better then the alpha v3. Ill wait and see what v3 dose after it gose final before i kill all my work just to have a new verson.

Erwin 10-31-2002 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TECK
are you sure on this erwin? on what do you base your afirmations? did you tested the code on your site?
let me know please.

Well, to be honest, I've never run it on my server. I am relying on what the vB developers like Freddie and Kier tell me, and I don't see why they would be wrong since they wrote both vB2 and vB3 (with the help of the rest of the team of course).

N!ck 10-31-2002 01:52 AM

honestly, i abhor what i see ... only exception is the multi-day events on the calendar...i'd like to do a hack for that...

Link14716 10-31-2002 03:10 AM

Too early to tell. If my site can run off of it, then I will after a few months. :)

NTLDR 10-31-2002 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anime-loo
I agree, im not upgrading because v2 dose mostly anything i want. With a little hacking I could make it better then the alpha v3. Ill wait and see what v3 dose after it gose final before i kill all my work just to have a new verson.
I'm with Anime-loo, the only things that I have wanted from vB3 I've hacked into vB2, it offers me nothing I don't already have and upgrading my style would be a nightmare.

I will of course have vB3 running alongside many vB2's on a dev server ;)

N9ne 10-31-2002 10:29 AM

Is anyone else getting slow loading times with showthread.php on vB3?

ethank 10-31-2002 04:11 PM

Yes. Right now I'm making all my component system code and content manager code less dependent on vbulletin by wrapping the components it uses is accessor classes.

EThan

Smoothie 10-31-2002 04:35 PM

umm, nope.

Goldknight 10-31-2002 04:54 PM

No for now but maybe one year later or less.. VB3 look awful... also I finally understand how hack work so I m going to stick with VB2 for while =P

JulianD 10-31-2002 05:34 PM

Too early to tell... But probably, yes (after hacking the board to fit my needs).

Erwin 10-31-2002 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Goldknight
No for now but maybe one year later or less.. VB3 look awful... also I finally understand how hack work so I m going to stick with VB2 for while =P
vB3 looks awful because the dev team is using a temporary template with ALL options enabled based on vB2. The final style should be a lot better. I agree at the moment it's ugly.

Yeah, showthread is slow for some reason - esp. if you use the hybrid mode. It's been mentioned to the dev team.

Goldknight 11-01-2002 04:30 PM

Erwin, thanks for "inside" information =D Actually there are more than looks.. I sometimes stop by at Bear Spot to get "unbiased" debates about any boards. It is good forum and rarely lock by mods/admin that which Sitepointforums.com usually do that whenever board vs board debates. Anyway I read thur many debates about VB3 and more. It is not excatly good move from Jelsoft lately about VB3..

I ll always be VB fan no matter what but seem that VB3 is going down? Erwin, I can see that you re logic guy so I wonder can you share your perspectives and thoughts about VB3 and Jelsoft's developments?

For example, go to vB3 Developement and see what Matt (IBF's developer) said... VB and VB's world is still new to me.. thanks in advance

NTLDR 11-01-2002 04:51 PM

Interesting thread there Goldknight, but IMO it just shows how little they know about vB.

Quote:

To quote a long standing vB user (who shall remain nameless); vB3 looks like a bag of hacks barfed up on a vB2. Of course, this is probably because on of the lead developers was an active hack writer.
Anyone who knows anything about vB3 knows that what you see there isn't what it will look like when released.

Quote:

i partly agree with matt's point of view. as anticipated as vb3 is, i this is a bit too over crowded with un-needed features, which most users will never use.
Quote:

I believe they've lost significant market share which is beginning to show in what I would call desperation by the inclusion of such crammed features such as threaded view. Those types of things should always remain as hacks and they are not following the golden rule of development which is: it must benefit the masses. As a result, it cheapens the look and feel imo.
Again, people who know anything about vB3 will know that many options can be switch on/off via the Admin CP, removing all the features us Admins feel arn't needed on out boards. Features such as threaded view have lost Jelsoft many customers because that is somrthing that will benifit the masses.

I wouldn't say I have a particularly biased opinion towards vB3 as I know I won't be using it on my own board and will stick with vB3, but I think I've pointed out that these people don't have a clue about vB3.

Goldknight 11-01-2002 05:01 PM

Thanks NTLDR for share your experiences. Appreciated it alots. As I said, VB is still new to me. VB's politics and history is not excatly clear to me yet, it ll take a while to know where VB stand and where will it go from there. Thanks

Freddie Bingham 11-01-2002 05:05 PM

I all I have to say is that I am upgrading my forum to vb3 today or tomorrow.

I will tell you that we aren't losing any market share and that sales are the same today as they were 6 months ago. vB3 will only continue to keep that pace as once you have it as an admin and can see what it really does, you will be happy.

NTLDR 11-01-2002 05:13 PM

That is another good point, untill we have seen the Admin side of vB3 I don't think we can can can honestly say one way or another as to wether or not we will be using it. The thing that puts me off is upgrading my style.

If freddie is upgrading his public board then they must be getting nearer to releasing a public beta then we can take a proper look :D

Freddie Bingham 11-01-2002 05:21 PM

We hope to release a beta to select sites within two weeks time.

Neo 11-01-2002 05:23 PM

I do want to see the admin cp before I update.. (code doesnt matter, aslong as the admin cp looks cool its all good)

NTLDR 11-01-2002 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freddie
We hope to release a beta to select sites within two weeks time.
Thanks for the info freddie, it will be good to see some other sites running vB3 to take a look at and see what they have done with it.

Neo 11-01-2002 05:30 PM

hopefully there is a template tranfer system like the one I made.

poolking 11-01-2002 05:33 PM

I'll probably wait a couple of months to see how many people post any errors they have found, then once the number goes down then I'd upgrade.

The last thing I wan't is a bunch of angry members saying they are getting errors.

Neo 11-01-2002 05:35 PM

Seriously. One little error and members leave the site.

Freddie Bingham 11-01-2002 05:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Neo
hopefully there is a template tranfer system like the one I made.
Styles transfer but considering how many templates have changed in substance or name, they are rather useless. You will need to redo your styles based off of the vb3 default style if you want to get anywhere.

Also I don't see why you can't start seeing what the admin panel looks like. Here is the relevant section from the upgrade script regarding the styles. The admin panel follows the same style as the upgrade script does.

Neo 11-01-2002 05:55 PM

Thanks for the info.

It seems like there will be alot of steps to update to VB3.

NTLDR 11-01-2002 06:07 PM

Thats alot of steps! I do like the new colours and the fact that it will try and convert your style.

Thanks for the nice screenshot too :D

Dean C 11-01-2002 06:18 PM

Looks nice freddie

Ive just registered at your site :)

- miSt


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