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CarpCharacin 07-24-2016 04:20 PM

Are forums dying?
 
Look at this http://www.xda-developers.com/changelog/ In 2013 there were 40000 posts per day and in 2014 it was down to 28000 posts per day. I am not sure what it is now. Are forums dying?

In Omnibus 07-24-2016 04:35 PM

28,000 posts per day is dying? :erm:

CarpCharacin 07-24-2016 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProSportsForums (Post 2573838)
28,000 posts per day is dying? :erm:

It used to have 40000 posts per day. Even though 28000 is a huge amount of posts per day, it is a significant drop from 40000 posts per day.

mokujin 07-24-2016 04:59 PM

They are not running anymore?

EDIT: They changed vBulletin a lot :-O

CarpCharacin 07-24-2016 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mokujin (Post 2573842)
They are not running anymore?

EDIT: They changed vBulletin a lot :-O

Select the classic style at the bottom ;)

Paul M 07-24-2016 07:41 PM

Wow, "classic" is a bit um .... bright.

If it always loads as slow as when I just visited, I'm amazed anyone posts.
Given its running 3.8.9 (Beta 2 oddly, they really should upgrade) it *should* be much faster.

CarpCharacin 07-24-2016 08:40 PM

It says it is powered by searchlight. What even is searchlight?

BirdOPrey5 07-27-2016 07:37 AM

Dying? No. Shrinking? Yes.

The audience who will tolerate using forums has shrunk dramatically in the last 10 years. Social media has captured much of the younger blood who would have replaced the people that left.

There will still be forums as we know then for 4 or 5 years. But in 10 years? I'm less sure. I don't believe the knowledge would be lost but transformed into something we have yet to imagine.

Princeton 07-27-2016 11:58 AM

You can't go by post count ... back then people were paying for fake posts, using feeds for posts, paying for "paid content", etc.

Not saying that they did - just saying it's bad to rely on post count to come to conclusions.

Oh, there's also mobile growth. This has changed EVERYTHING. People spend less time on pages.

There's a lot of reasons but it doesn't mean it's "dying".

mokujin 07-27-2016 01:23 PM

I found my old account at xda: You last visited: 7th March 2014 at 05:18 PM :-)

In Omnibus 07-27-2016 01:54 PM

Post count is actually the worst indicator as to how successful a site is or isn't. Many successful sites have relatively few posts because the volume of information contained in the posts they do have is such that there is little need for extensive discussion. Many others have forums as almost an afterthought rather than as the central focus. Sites which are sales focused often have one post for the sale item and then require buyers ask specific questions via private message or e-mail rather than directly in a thread. There are so many variables which depend greatly upon the reason for a site's existence. Even general off-topic forums have largely gone away from allowing anyone to post anything purely for the sake of posting. Ultimately, it all comes down to the same thing: Quality original content >>> quantity.

CarpCharacin 07-27-2016 07:51 PM

I think that for fourms to survive they have to become mobile freindly. I am confident that forums will be around in 10 years. I think that general off topic forums are getting replaced by social media, but i think that forums, especially hobby forums are thriving. I am a member of a large aquarium forum with over 7 million posts that is more active now than it has ever been.

webmastersun 07-28-2016 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProSportsForums (Post 2573838)
28,000 posts per day is dying? :erm:

I have same question to the OP

for me, my forum has 50 new posts daily but I don't think it is dying that vice versa, it is growing because forums have more opportunities to get organic traffic than communities on social networks.

kerrghann 07-30-2016 06:15 PM

I wouldn't say forums are dying.

Seems like certain niches are becoming less and less popular.

I run a forum that's been around since 2001, my niche happens to be creative writing and play by post forum roleplaying. There are quite a few other sites out like it, although I like to think mine is one of the older ones out there currently.

Most roleplaying sites seem to have had a pretty sharp decline lately, but the younger generation isn't quite what it used to be either.

scottkoz20 12-24-2016 01:25 AM

I know this is an older thread, but I wanted to give my 2 cents.

I took over sportscardforum.com over a year ago from an absentee owner and the first thing that I had to do was stabilize what was a perceived lack of traffic. The hobby I am in has seen a ton of changes in the last 10 years, with shipping costs making trades and sales domestically and Internationally, the advent of Social Networks and honestly a lack of willing to accept that if you are not adapting, you are going to "die".

The posts are down from what they were 2-3 years ago but I still have plenty of traffic and embracing the changes and adapting to them will help forums long term.

TheAdminMarket 12-24-2016 05:13 PM

Yes they're dying but slowly. On the same way that BBS and Newsgroups died before. On the same way as Facebook, Twitter etc will die later than the forums. People tend to look for new ways to use Internet.

webmastersun 12-25-2016 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAdminMarket (Post 2579846)
Yes they're dying but slowly. On the same way that BBS and Newsgroups died before. On the same way as Facebook, Twitter etc will die later than the forums. People tend to look for new ways to use Internet.

I don't know or i don't think so, how is dying, my forum traffic is increasing and increase x2 times if compared to years ago. :D

TheAdminMarket 12-26-2016 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webmastersun (Post 2579864)
I don't know or i don't think so, how is dying, my forum traffic is increasing and increase x2 times if compared to years ago. :D

I'm not talking for big sites and never try to understand how things are going seeing big sites. I'm talking for the average sites. Those ones with 1k members or less.

Last year (2015) I've spent a week just looking the websites from my clients last 10 years. So:

  • ~65% of those sites are dead.
  • ~15% changed to Wordpress
  • ~5% changed forum software
  • ~15% are still on vBulletin
So, after all, ~80% of the old forums died. And be sure that I'm talking for more than 10.000 websites that I tested.

When talking for forums we don't mean those "big bosses". It's a mistake to get statistics only by counting the proccess of big sites. It's a big mistake to say "My site increased" while, on the same time, another 100 closed.

--------------- Added 26 Dec 2016 at 11:35 ---------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by webmastersun (Post 2579864)
.... if compared to years ago. :D

As I seen in whois database your site is 4 1/2 years old. You can't count it as an old site as it was not operating on the forum's "Glory days".

I'm coding for forums since 2006 (or since 2003 as Forum owner), 9 years earlier than you in forum market, so I can have a better idea on how things are going. For the same reason that older than me (not in age), forums owners here, can have a more stable and clear opinion.

MarkFL 12-26-2016 09:08 AM

It's my perception that not only has the quantity of forum users declined, but so has the quality. Years ago, users took it in stride when they had to investigate the forum software to discover how to make things happen. Now, users have trouble figuring out how to post and blame the site for being "unfriendly."

Back then, a user might ask what they needed to do on their end if the forum didn't display correctly in their browser. Now, users demand that the site be rewritten to accommodate their gadget of the day and their lackluster browsers.

Maybe I'm just an old fogie shaking my fist at the kids, telling them to get off my lawn, but that's the way I see how things have changed in the last 10 years. :)

In Omnibus 12-26-2016 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkFL (Post 2579884)
It's my perception that not only has the quantity of forum users declined, but so has the quality. Years ago, users took it in stride when they had to investigate the forum software to discover how to make things happen. Now, users have trouble figuring out how to post and blame the site for being "unfriendly."

Back then, a user might ask what they needed to do on their end if the forum didn't display correctly in their browser. Now, users demand that the site be rewritten to accommodate their gadget of the day and their lackluster browsers.

Maybe I'm just an old fogie shaking my fist at the kids, telling them to get off my lawn, but that's the way I see how things have changed in the last 10 years. :)

It isn't only your perception. There once was a time when I knew precisely what made forums successful. There was a formula. I spent the last several years floundering with trying to help others become successful with their forums, only to realize everything has changed but me. I'm not doing it a different way because I've been doing it the same way since 1991 and this old dog isn't learning these new fangled millennial tricks.

Social media is the bane of my existence. I loathe it. It has created a lazy, entitled society whereby everyone expects everything immediately and with no work on their part. If they have to do more than click and type 140 characters of blather about themselves they have no interest. We're officially in the "Me" generation.

In a way I have adapted. I've abandoned all forums whose primary purpose is to get large (or even small) numbers of people to talk about unimportant nonsense. I now run a coding and programming forum for my own pleasure. I also have a full-time job so I don't have the time to run a forum, a facebook page, a twitter, an instagram, a youtube channel, etc. and even if I had the time I have no interest in gouging people for ad money every time they view content.

Perhaps I've lost my mind but I still believe that social media will run its course and people will begin looking for alternatives. Will those alternatives include a return to forums? It's impossible to say but if forum software developers figure out how to take what people like about social media and eliminate what they hate about social media I could easily see forums making a comeback.

TheAdminMarket 12-26-2016 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In Omnibus (Post 2579887)
if forum software developers figure out how to take what people like about social media and eliminate what they hate about social media I could easily see forums making a comeback.

This is what I'm working on right now. That's why the name "forobook". A forum with Facebook style (functionality). Don't know if it will succeed or not. But I'll try it as last project in my life. In a short term: "you'll love it, or you'll hate it".

Replicant 12-26-2016 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAdminMarket (Post 2579888)
This is what I'm working on right now. That's why the name "forobook". A forum with Facebook style (functionality). Don't know if it will succeed or not. But I'll try it as last project in my life. In a short term: "you'll love it, or you'll hate it".

I have a similar project in the works for vb5. A couple of my users have looked at what I have so far and liked it, but it is a huge undertaking for me being a novice coder and I doubt it will ever get finished between work and other more important projects in the works.

My forum has dwindled to 10-15 active users 20-30 and while I was ready to shut it down in September due to lack of activity, an influx of cash donations and a unanimous vote from those active users to keep it open made me change my mind.

New users seem to join, find what they are looking for and leave without ever engaging in a conversation. I know this to be true as my son does it all the time when he is working on his car. He always hits the forums for answers but never engages the community since he finds what he is looking for without having to put forth much effort. What bothers me about it is sometimes the info is flawed or incomplete and he never goes back to discuss the wrong info or add what is missing since his problem is already solved.

rockerzteam 12-29-2016 04:04 AM

Everything is on facebook pages now! Everything you had to go looking for including craigslist,car questions,etc are now on facebook pages..... I buy,sell,trade through facebook.... If one day facebook integrated a store like amazon I would order from there too. Youtube and Facebook are now the main go to resources...... I used to visit many car forums, Hunting forums, now I use facebook groups.... I'm all about a one stop shop! Just like the forums that charge for lifetime memberships to access private sections of the forums that you can now discuss on facebook groups for free...... These pay to play forums are the poison that's killing those particular forums.

durham 01-06-2017 07:55 AM

Forums are brilliant. I'm always amazed at the quality of freely given information and community spirit shown by our members (with the odd exception!). Facebook is not the same.

But is it not Google that dictates our decline or rise? We have seen two or three dramatic declines in visitor traffic. We changed nothing - but Google certainly did - for us! Member numbers have been growing fine in the meantime.

X-or 01-08-2017 01:41 AM

Obviously yes. I hope it was a false question, otherwise you're blind my friend.


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