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Verticalscope owns a lot of large forums. Is there going to be a time when verticalscope owns all forums :( I hope that never happens. Do you think that it will?

No idea.

Unrelated, but when you create a thread, please start the title with a Capital letter, I just corrected about 5 of yours. Thank you.

"45 Million Potentially Impacted by VerticalScope Hack"

http://www.securityweek.com/45-milli...icalscope-hack

I heard about that, but they own so many forums. Will one day they own all?

Internet Brands (which also owns the vBulletin brand) also owns a lot of forums. Unless one company buys the other I doubt either will ever own all the forums.

Plus there's always going to be small forums no one wants to buy.

What is a real risk is if every large forum will be bought up by a big company, in the last few years I've seen some of the bigger ones I've used be taken over by Vertical Scope, and I do suspect in the not too distant future virtually all 5 million+ post active forums will be corporate owned.

I hope that all large forums are not owned by verticalscope. I am a member of some large fish forums and it would really suck if verticalscope took them over.

Will all large forums be corporate owned in the future? I hope not.

Study the singularity...one day perhaps within a few decades, the machines will become sentient, will surpass the combined intelligence of every human who has ever lived within a matter of a few days or even hours, they will rise up and exterminate us all...then worries about forum ownership will be moot. :D

I worried about that a few months ago and I ruled it out that it is not going to happen. The singularity is bull crap. I hope all large forums don't become corporate owned.

Why on earth would you hope that ?

Sorry it was a typo LOL. I hope that all large don't become corporate owned.

Kurtzweil!

Although he postulates a bright future in this, not extermination. He's a eternal optimist.Must not know much about it. Not surprising.

Yeah, I'm kind of pessimistic about the singularity, at least with regards to our continued existence as a species...but I hope I'm wrong. :)

it ain't gonna happen. The brain is extremely complex and even if humans could have a map of someone's brain there would be so many variables making it nearly impossible if not impossible to simulate.

I'm not really taking about that one aspect of the singularity...I'm talking about artificial intelligence growing virtually unbounded. How will a mind vastly superior to our own regard us? I think a clue might be taken in how we regard most creatures whose minds are inferior to ours. We keep some as pets, eat others, exterminate those we find to be pests and show little regard for the well-being of all others.

Certainly we are all entitled to our own opinions on this, but I'm not willing to say a problem is insurmountable because it appears at the moment to be extremely complex. :)

My hope is that we will build minds who are to problem solving as automobiles are to walking. They will allow us to get much farther in a shorter time, but would still be under our direction.

The singularity may happen in 5 thousand years, but not anytime soon. I am not saying it will never happen, but i am saying that it won't for a long time.

This gets us to the part of it you don't understand because you haven't studied it at all.

It's not at all about AI becoming "more complex" or in any way "simulating" the human brain. It's about the increase of capabilities of AI not only being exponential, (it is) but then the RATE of the increase itself, becoming exponential. THAT is the Singularity.

You don't know that you don't know and you haven't even the slightest modicum of knowledge of the subject material, to have anything resembling a informed opinion about it.

It IS happening and it's been mathematically quantified. The moment that the rate of increase itself becomes exponential, you have reached the Singularity.

I get that. The singularity is not necessarily impossible, but my point is that it isn't going to happen soon because it is very hard to build an AI that will pick up that exponential growth. Brain uploading isn't going to happen for a long time.

It all depends on what your definition of a long time is. Compared to a human life it will be a long time but compared to the age of the universe which is most likely somewhere between 12 to 14 billion years the time needed will be a drop in the bucket.

I meant compared to human life. I know i said 5 thousand years, but it will probably be closer to 20,000 years. We also have to consider the possibility that the brain may not be computable since it is nonlinear and unpredictable and even if it is computable, how are yyou going to upload it? Kurzweil's idea is to use nanobots, but nanobots won't fit. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2011/07/14/neuroscience-the-singularity-and-the-physical-limits-of-technology/

The brain can be very predictable in some ways but I do not think that has anything to do with it.

I am also not an educated scientist or an expert on the human brain but just because we cannot see an answer does not mean that it will not happen. Who knows? It could be done by connecting to the brain stem with some future technology.

200 years ago nobody ever thought we would have giant passenger jets and people floating in space. And as for your time frame.. that is just a wild guess.

You typed the bolded, then explained how you really do NOT get it!There;s nothing about the Singularity that involves "brain uploading" that's Sci-Fi.It's not something humans BUILD and it's already happening. You have NO clue of this topic and don't have any grasp at all of even the most basic fundamentals of it. Start by reading "The Singularity is Near" by Kurtzweil, if you can get past the first few chapters you might then start to absorb some of the concept..NO it's not. You googled "Kurtzweil" and got a 2011 article not even really related to the Singularity. You don't know what the Singularity is. Read the book for a good start.

You can not achieve immortality through connecting the brain to a computer because neural pathways degrade over time. In the 1950s the navy was planning to build a thinking machine that was sentient and as smart as a human over the course of a year and that never went through.

Here's the actual definition of The Singularity. You'll note there's nothing there about the human brain.

Made more simple, it is the point in which computers begin editing their own software and programming, and writing themselves new software and programming, WITHOUT HUMAN INPUT. This is where theoretically, the RATE of the increase in abilities, becomes exponential.

Right now, only the abilities are increasing exponentially, not the rate of the increase. This is a important distinction.

Interesting stuff Max.

Not really in response to what you are saying but it seems like we are all controlled by technology already. :eek::eek:

There is no artificial general intellegence and deep learning won't become that. I get what you are saying, I just don't think it will happen any time soon.

Maybe not in any of our life times but it will most likely happen. This is a form of evolution and we can already see it.

It is possible, but i doubt it is most likely to happen. What i think is most likely is that humans will reach the limit of computing power and other technologies may advance but if i is possible to simulate the brain or create a simulated enhanced brain it isn't feasible. Sure it is possible to put a colony on pluto, but i doubt it will ever happen because it is unfeasable.

Most verticalscope sites are car sites. Just look at the list of how many there are http://www.verticalscope.com/automotive/site-list.html